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[vwnc] Behavior of "Inspect Undeclared"

Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs (YVR)

When inspecting undeclared variables the first thing I do is ask it to “Purge Unused Bindings” to get the list of items that are currently undeclared. I have never wanted to see the list of variables that were undeclared at some point in the past. Has anyone wanted to see that list? If not perhaps requesting the list of undeclared could just do a purge first.

 

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Re: [vwnc] Behavior of "Inspect Undeclared"

Terry Raymond

I always purge it.

 

I should add that I noticed in 7.6 that if you override a method that

references an ivar and later rename the ivar, you will end up with

and undeclared ref to the ivar because of the way overrides are done.

 

Terry

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When inspecting undeclared variables the first thing I do is ask it to “Purge Unused Bindings” to get the list of items that are currently undeclared. I have never wanted to see the list of variables that were undeclared at some point in the past. Has anyone wanted to see that list? If not perhaps requesting the list of undeclared could just do a purge first.

 

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Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs (YVR)

I was not aware of that scenario. I do know that if you remove a variable and then add it back, perhaps higher in the hierarchy, you end up incrementing the undeclared count.

 

Thinking about it a bit more just bringing up the Browse->Inspect menu should purge unused bindings. Otherwise the number of undeclared shown in the menu label is not very useful.

 

 

 

 

 

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I always purge it.

 

I should add that I noticed in 7.6 that if you override a method that

references an ivar and later rename the ivar, you will end up with

and undeclared ref to the ivar because of the way overrides are done.

 

Terry

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When inspecting undeclared variables the first thing I do is ask it to “Purge Unused Bindings” to get the list of items that are currently undeclared. I have never wanted to see the list of variables that were undeclared at some point in the past. Has anyone wanted to see that list? If not perhaps requesting the list of undeclared could just do a purge first.

 

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Umm, I'd delete the count, replacing it with a non-numerical indicator such as a red or green or yellow Spot.  Sometimes you need to be able to see when things come in without an intervening reset.  Make the Spot green when the list is emptied, make it red when the list goes from empty to containing an item, turn it yellow from red after an inspector had been opened on the list.  Turn it red from green or yellow if an item is added.  Just because something passes through a state of non-definition does not mean that it is automatically "bad".  What's too bad is that "undefinition" is not a word.  (8~{)}

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On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Joerg Beekmann wrote:

I was not aware of that scenario. I do know that if you remove a variable and then add it back, perhaps higher in the hierarchy, you end up incrementing the undeclared count.
 
Thinking about it a bit more just bringing up the Browse->Inspect menu should purge unused bindings. Otherwise the number of undeclared shown in the menu label is not very useful.
 
 
 
 
 
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Terry Raymond
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I always purge it.
 
I should add that I noticed in 7.6 that if you override a method that
references an ivar and later rename the ivar, you will end up with
and undeclared ref to the ivar because of the way overrides are done.
 

Terry

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When inspecting undeclared variables the first thing I do is ask it to “Purge Unused Bindings” to get the list of items that are currently undeclared. I have never wanted to see the list of variables that were undeclared at some point in the past. Has anyone wanted to see that list? If not perhaps requesting the list of undeclared could just do a purge first.
 
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Joerg Beekmann, DeepCove Labs (YVR)

Sure an indicator like that would work as well. I just don’t like the current situation where you go to the menu, see that there are “6 undeclared” open the dialog, purge and find there are none of interest after all.

 

Joerg

 

From: David Caster [mailto:[hidden email]]
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Umm, I'd delete the count, replacing it with a non-numerical indicator such as a red or green or yellow Spot.  Sometimes you need to be able to see when things come in without an intervening reset.  Make the Spot green when the list is emptied, make it red when the list goes from empty to containing an item, turn it yellow from red after an inspector had been opened on the list.  Turn it red from green or yellow if an item is added.  Just because something passes through a state of non-definition does not mean that it is automatically "bad".  What's too bad is that "undefinition" is not a word.  (8~{)}

 

David L. Caster

Cincom CM Group

 

On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Joerg Beekmann wrote:



I was not aware of that scenario. I do know that if you remove a variable and then add it back, perhaps higher in the hierarchy, you end up incrementing the undeclared count.

 

Thinking about it a bit more just bringing up the Browse->Inspect menu should purge unused bindings. Otherwise the number of undeclared shown in the menu label is not very useful.

 

 

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Terry Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [vwnc] Behavior of "Inspect Undeclared"

 

I always purge it.

 

I should add that I noticed in 7.6 that if you override a method that

references an ivar and later rename the ivar, you will end up with

and undeclared ref to the ivar because of the way overrides are done.

 

Terry

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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joerg Beekmann
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:03 PM
To: VWNC
Subject: [vwnc] Behavior of "Inspect Undeclared"

 

When inspecting undeclared variables the first thing I do is ask it to “Purge Unused Bindings” to get the list of items that are currently undeclared. I have never wanted to see the list of variables that were undeclared at some point in the past. Has anyone wanted to see that list? If not perhaps requesting the list of undeclared could just do a purge first.

 

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Joerg Beekmann
DeepCove Labs
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Vancouver, BC, V6C 2T5
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