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[vwnc] Does anybody have an Experience running VW in Chinese language ?

Mark Pirogovsky-3
Can you share experiences or maybe even some screen shots ?

Any information on the subject is greatly appreciated?

Many thanks,

--Mark



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Re: [vwnc] Does anybody have an Experience running VW in Chinese language ?

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We did a prototype for address information only in VW7.6.  That is, we had a limited purpose and did not attempt this for every text field.  It affected only a very limited number of domain objects, I believe exclusively in our Geography hierarchy (such as office locations in native language).  We could handle English, Simplified and Traditional Chinese, and Japanese, but had enough flexibility in the long-term design to handle anything in Unicode (so we could do locale-based input methods).

The only way to describe our "prototype" was a bastardization.  I wouldn't even classify it as a hybrid.  We got it to work, but it was really messy.  VW7.7 should have considerably better support, but unfortunately the guru who did this no longer is with us, so I have no clue how much would need to change.  I don't even know where his image is that allows you to select the language and get the appropriate IME;  I do know that he had to work on the underlying widgets.  I just remember that it worked, to everyone's surprise.

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Can you share experiences or maybe even some screen shots ?

Any information on the subject is greatly appreciated?

Many thanks,

--Mark



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Re: [vwnc] Does anybody have an Experience running VW in Chinese language ?

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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Mark Pirogovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can you share experiences or maybe even some screen shots ?
>
> Any information on the subject is greatly appreciated?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> --Mark
>
>
>
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Hi,

I'm a native Chinese Smalltalk amateur and I program in Chinese (mixed
with English) for fun using VWNC 7.5/7.6.  Normally I use Chinese for
almost all my own code and English for reusing lib code. Now waiting
for 7.7.
I also used ObjectStudio years ago. (And Io. Smalltalk has five
preserved words while Io has none. Io has better native Unicode
support).
I don't know what you're interesting to hearing about.
VW 7.6 has some problem in copy/paste dealing with Unicode and
auto-completing doesn't work in Chinese since one line of code
somewhere checking whether the text is Smalltalk code would expect
ASCII characters. When reading / writing files, Chinese filename will
fail. Windows title using Chinese will not display well re-openning an
image after it gets saved and closed. That's all I can recall now. In
short it works for me, not too bad :)

Here is a screen-shot.


Best Regards,

Jim G

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Re: [vwnc] Does anybody have an Experience running VW in Chineselanguage ?

Kooyman, Les
Re: [vwnc] Does anybody have an Experience running VW in Chineselanguage ?
Experiences with VisualWorks 7.7 should be better. I understand the NC version is due for release very soon (I believe the commercial version is already out).
 
Both Unicode and Locale support are much enhanced, not just for Chinese but for several other languages/territories and character sets. (Make sure you have appropriate fonts on hand for your language of choice, especially if it uses a non-Roman character set.)
 
Les Kooyman
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Mark Pirogovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:


> Can you share experiences or maybe even some screen shots ?
>
> Any information on the subject is greatly appreciated?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> --Mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>
Hi,

I'm a native Chinese Smalltalk amateur and I program in Chinese (mixed
with English) for fun using VWNC 7.5/7.6.  Normally I use Chinese for
almost all my own code and English for reusing lib code. Now waiting
for 7.7.
I also used ObjectStudio years ago. (And Io. Smalltalk has five
preserved words while Io has none. Io has better native Unicode
support).
I don't know what you're interesting to hearing about.
VW 7.6 has some problem in copy/paste dealing with Unicode and
auto-completing doesn't work in Chinese since one line of code
somewhere checking whether the text is Smalltalk code would expect
ASCII characters. When reading / writing files, Chinese filename will
fail. Windows title using Chinese will not display well re-openning an
image after it gets saved and closed. That's all I can recall now. In
short it works for me, not too bad :)

Here is a screen-shot.


Best Regards,

Jim G


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Re: Does anybody have an Experience running VW in Chineselanguage ?

J G
After using vwnc7.7 for over a month I am impressed by the great
improvement VW has made and all previous bugs now have gone. It's the
best IDE I've ever seen for native language programming. Thanks a lot.
If it's not VWNC I can't do anything I have done in my part time,
freely express myself and define my objects in my native Chinese
language. It's stable, and highly qualified and always a source for
discovering the spirit of Smalltalk and programming in general.

When I made a decision ten years ago on which languages to choose, I
thought Smalltalk could be my only lifetime language even when very
old in future. That's a right decision I believe after years of using
it. Now with best Chinese support I'm thinking if I can find time to
start a small project related to Buddhism.

Hope more and more people will get to know (yes it's so important to
let people know ) and use your great product.

Best Regards,

J G
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Kooyman, Les <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Experiences with VisualWorks 7.7 should be better. I understand the NC
> version is due for release very soon (I believe the commercial version is
> already out).
>
> Both Unicode and Locale support are much enhanced, not just for Chinese but
> for several other languages/territories and character sets. (Make sure you
> have appropriate fonts on hand for your language of choice, especially if it
> uses a non-Roman character set.)
>
> Les Kooyman
> Cincom
> ________________________________
> From: [hidden email] on behalf of J G
> Sent: Fri 1/8/2010 9:20 PM
> To: Mark Pirogovsky
> Cc: VWNC List
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] Does anybody have an Experience running VW in
> Chineselanguage ?
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Mark Pirogovsky <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Can you share experiences or maybe even some screen shots ?
>>
>> Any information on the subject is greatly appreciated?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> --Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> vwnc mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a native Chinese Smalltalk amateur and I program in Chinese (mixed
> with English) for fun using VWNC 7.5/7.6.  Normally I use Chinese for
> almost all my own code and English for reusing lib code. Now waiting
> for 7.7.
> I also used ObjectStudio years ago. (And Io. Smalltalk has five
> preserved words while Io has none. Io has better native Unicode
> support).
> I don't know what you're interesting to hearing about.
> VW 7.6 has some problem in copy/paste dealing with Unicode and
> auto-completing doesn't work in Chinese since one line of code
> somewhere checking whether the text is Smalltalk code would expect
> ASCII characters. When reading / writing files, Chinese filename will
> fail. Windows title using Chinese will not display well re-openning an
> image after it gets saved and closed. That's all I can recall now. In
> short it works for me, not too bad :)
>
> Here is a screen-shot.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jim G
>



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Jim G

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