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Scott McWilliams

[vwnc] FW: List Access

Per James Robertson, I am posting this question here. Does anyone have experience with this?

Regards,
Scott

From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: List Access
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:43:06 -0500

Well, this question should properly be tossed to the vwnc mailing list, because vw-dev is a separate kind of thing. We release the NC product as we release new versions of the product; we release vw-dev weekly, as a rolling snapshot of internal development progress. The purpose of vw-dev is to give early access to the upcoming version of VW and OST to customers, partners, and other interested parties who are:

-- interested in giving Cincom feedback on whether changes made impact their projects (presumably based on an earlier version of the product)

-- interested in testing new features/changes early in the development cycle so as to ensure that they can roll out their own new versions shortly after Cincom executes a release

We don't expect casual users to use the vw-dev program, nor do we expect people to be building research projects using it. For that kind of thing, you should really take a look at vwnc, and ask the question on that mailing list.

Thanks,

James Robertson

Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView

Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library

On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Scott McWilliams wrote:

Jim,

Could you clarify, or at least try to explain in lay terms, the definition of 'commercial'? Specifically, how might it apply to the development of an application that could be used by either a commercial or non-commercial (educational, governmental) entity, but not specifically developed with intent of making a profit? For example, is using VWNC analogous to, say, using Eclipse + open-source Java libraries? What about profit from services related to the application (deployment, maintenance, etc)? I am assuming those would fall under the 'must have a contract' portion but I'd like to know for sure.

Apologies in advance if this has been answered elsewhere.

Regards,
Scott

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: List Access
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:16:24 -0500
>
>
> Well, as I understand it (IANAL), the NDA protects Cincom's rights.
> We are releasing pre-release builds to anyone who signs the NDA - it's
> a way of putting even non-customers under some form of contract. To
> take the most extreme potential problem, the NDA tries to ensure that
> a person with access to vw-dev will not create and deploy a product
> commercially without ever entering into a contract with Cincom
>
>
> James Robertson
> Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist
> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
> Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Bruce Badger wrote:
>
> >
> > James,
> >
> > On 18/11/2008, James Robertson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Earlier this year, Cincom put out an updated NDA for access to vw-
> >> dev.
> >> ...
> >
> > I'm not really clear on what the benefit is to me to even take the
> > time to read the latest form of this contract.
> >
> > Right off the bat I'm inclined to just ignore it and if you choose to
> > evict me from the dev list then, well, so be it.
> >
> > But I'd certainly like to hear from Cincom what they think the
> > benefits are for both 'sides' before I do anything rash :-)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bruce
> > --
> > Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills
> > http://www.openskills.org/
> >
>

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