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Lautaro Fernández

[vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

Hi list, I've been working in order to have some nice tabs in the RefactoringBrowser and that give me some thoughts about the icons that comes with the default image (7.6).
So I've just published a new package named "NewVassilisIcons" which is more or less the same idea of "VassilisIcons" but newer, for those who don't know "VassilisIcons" is a package which holds the icons for some classes.

Feel free to use :D and if you think that an icon isn't the right one for a class or you have a suggestion for another one that I didn't put it, please tell me.

Bye bye,
Lautaro Fernández

PS: I've attached an image that shows all the icons that I've put into the package.
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Michael Lucas-Smith-2

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

I like your new tabs. FYI, new icons are coming to VW in 7.7

Cheers,
Michael

Lautaro Fernández wrote:

> Hi list, I've been working in order to have some nice tabs in the
> RefactoringBrowser and that give me some thoughts about the icons that
> comes with the default image (7.6).
> So I've just published a new package named "NewVassilisIcons" which is
> more or less the same idea of "VassilisIcons" but newer, for those who
> don't know "VassilisIcons" is a package which holds the icons for some
> classes.
>
> Feel free to use :D and if you think that an icon isn't the right one
> for a class or you have a suggestion for another one that I didn't put
> it, please tell me.
>
> Bye bye,
> Lautaro Fernández
>
> PS: I've attached an image that shows all the icons that I've put into
> the package.
> --
> Luke LAut SkyFernadezWalker
>
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Samuel S. Shuster

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

In reply to this post by Lautaro Fernández

Lautaro:

> Hi list, I've been working in order to have some nice tabs in the
> RefactoringBrowser and that give me some thoughts about the icons
> that comes with the default image (7.6).
> So I've just published a new package named "NewVassilisIcons" which
> is more or less the same idea of "VassilisIcons" but newer, for
> those who don't know "VassilisIcons" is a package which holds the
> icons for some classes.
>
> Feel free to use :D and if you think that an icon isn't the right
> one for a class or you have a suggestion for another one that I
> didn't put it, please tell me.
>
> Bye bye,
> Lautaro Fernández
>
> PS: I've attached an image that shows all the icons that I've put
> into the package.

Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang
icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject
(being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
otherwise general objects

And So It Goes
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Lautaro Fernández

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

2008/10/9 Samuel S. Shuster <[hidden email]>

Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for otherwise general objects

I thought the same, but to kept the same *reference* I choose to kept the same.
I'm glad you like it :D

Sorry Samuel for the double mail.
To the admin of this list: It's possible to put "to: [hidden email]" instead the last person who had answered an email? Thanks.

Bye,
Lautaro

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Vassili Bykov-2

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Lautaro Fernández <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> 2008/10/9 Samuel S. Shuster <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang icon
>> representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject (being
>> neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for otherwise general
>> objects
>
> I thought the same, but to kept the same *reference* I choose to kept the
> same.
> I'm glad you like it :D

FWIW, in my original iconology the ying/yang indeed denoted
UndefinedObject, and I think it's a mistake to use something as rich
in esoteric connotations for "just about anything without an icon of
its own".

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Andres Valloud-6

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

In reply to this post by Lautaro Fernández

Regarding whether the default recipient should be the sender or the list, we had this discussion in the ANSI Smalltalk mailing list. Eventually we voted on it and the result was strongly in favor of answering to the list. In my opinion at least, I think it fosters an environment of openness and sharing. Personally, I'd rather see the mailing list changed so that the default recipient of responses is the list itself. I find myself deleting the senders of emails and typing "vwnc" all the time.

Andres.

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lautaro Fernández
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:33 PM
Cc: VW NC
Subject: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

2008/10/9 Samuel S. Shuster <[hidden email]>

Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for otherwise general objects

And So It Goes
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Martin McClure

[vwnc] List replyTo: [was: Re: New icons for the RefactoringBrowser]

Valloud, Andres wrote:
> Regarding whether the default recipient should be the sender or the
> list, we had this discussion in the ANSI Smalltalk mailing list.
> Eventually we voted on it and the result was strongly in favor of
> answering to the list. In my opinion at least, I think it fosters an
> environment of openness and sharing. Personally, I'd rather see the
> mailing list changed so that the default recipient of responses is the
> list itself. I find myself deleting the senders of emails and typing
> "vwnc" all the time.

I'm afraid I missed that discussion in the ANSI list. I certainly would
have urged and voted for not replying to the list had I been there at
the time. There are many good reasons not to have "reply to list" set.
One classic and well-thought-out set of reasons can be found here:

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

There are also arguments in the other direction, but my personal
deciding factor was this:

If you accidentally reply to an individual when you meant to reply to
the group, it's annoying but quite easy to fix.

If you accidentally reply to the group when you meant to reply to the
sender, there is *no* *way* *to* *fix* your mistake.

Regards,

-Martin

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Andres Valloud-6

Re: [vwnc] List replyTo: [was: Re: New icons for the RefactoringBrowser]

Martin,

This argument did come up in the ANSI mailing list, but voting decided
against it.

Andres.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin McClure [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Valloud, Andres
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: List replyTo: [was: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the
RefactoringBrowser]

Valloud, Andres wrote:
> Regarding whether the default recipient should be the sender or the
> list, we had this discussion in the ANSI Smalltalk mailing list.
> Eventually we voted on it and the result was strongly in favor of
> answering to the list. In my opinion at least, I think it fosters an
> environment of openness and sharing. Personally, I'd rather see the
> mailing list changed so that the default recipient of responses is the

> list itself. I find myself deleting the senders of emails and typing
> "vwnc" all the time.

I'm afraid I missed that discussion in the ANSI list. I certainly would
have urged and voted for not replying to the list had I been there at
the time. There are many good reasons not to have "reply to list" set.
One classic and well-thought-out set of reasons can be found here:

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

There are also arguments in the other direction, but my personal
deciding factor was this:

If you accidentally reply to an individual when you meant to reply to
the group, it's annoying but quite easy to fix.

If you accidentally reply to the group when you meant to reply to the
sender, there is *no* *way* *to* *fix* your mistake.

Regards,

-Martin

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Reinout Heeck-2

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

In reply to this post by Samuel S. Shuster

> Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang
> icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject
> (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
> otherwise general objects
>

I have played with several of the published icon schemes and they all
seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.

A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon, as a result
a lot more information shines through simply by the presence of icons
(as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape -- particularly
cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).

No icon on Object pretty please :-)

R
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Nowak, Helge

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

In reply to this post by Samuel S. Shuster

I fully agree to Sames
Helge

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Samuel S. Shuster
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 23:09
An: Lautaro Fernández
Cc: VW NC
Betreff: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

Lautaro:

Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for otherwise general objects

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Nowak, Helge

Re: [vwnc] List replyTo: [was: Re: New icons for theRefactoringBrowser]

In reply to this post by Andres Valloud-6

so the vw-nc list should set up its vote
count me on Martin's side

Cheers
Helge

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Valloud, Andres
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 04:13
An: [hidden email]
Betreff: Re: [vwnc] List replyTo: [was: Re: New icons for theRefactoringBrowser]

Martin,

This argument did come up in the ANSI mailing list, but voting decided against it.

Andres.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin McClure [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Valloud, Andres
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: List replyTo: [was: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser]

Valloud, Andres wrote:
> Regarding whether the default recipient should be the sender or the
> list, we had this discussion in the ANSI Smalltalk mailing list.
> Eventually we voted on it and the result was strongly in favor of
> answering to the list. In my opinion at least, I think it fosters an
> environment of openness and sharing. Personally, I'd rather see the
> mailing list changed so that the default recipient of responses is the

> list itself. I find myself deleting the senders of emails and typing
> "vwnc" all the time.

I'm afraid I missed that discussion in the ANSI list. I certainly would have urged and voted for not replying to the list had I been there at the time. There are many good reasons not to have "reply to list" set.
One classic and well-thought-out set of reasons can be found here:

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

There are also arguments in the other direction, but my personal deciding factor was this:

If you accidentally reply to an individual when you meant to reply to the group, it's annoying but quite easy to fix.

If you accidentally reply to the group when you meant to reply to the sender, there is *no* *way* *to* *fix* your mistake.

Regards,

-Martin

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Christian Haider

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

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+1 !

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Reinout Heeck
> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 09:31
> An: VW NC
> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
>
>
> > Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the
> yin/yang
> > icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent
> UndefinedObject
> > (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
> > otherwise general objects
> >
>
> I have played with several of the published icon schemes and they all
> seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.
>
> A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon,
> as a result
> a lot more information shines through simply by the presence of icons
> (as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape --
> particularly
> cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).
>
>
>
> No icon on Object pretty please :-)
>
>
> R
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Andres Fortier-2

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

+1

Christian Haider escribió:

> +1 !
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Reinout Heeck
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 09:31
>> An: VW NC
>> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
>>
>>
>>> Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the
>> yin/yang
>>> icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent
>> UndefinedObject
>>> (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
>>> otherwise general objects
>>>
>> I have played with several of the published icon schemes and they all
>> seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.
>>
>> A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon,
>> as a result
>> a lot more information shines through simply by the presence of icons
>> (as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape --
>> particularly
>> cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).
>>
>>
>>
>> No icon on Object pretty please :-)
>>
>>
>> R
>> -
>>
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Terry Raymond

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

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+1 !!

A few icons are useful, but an icon for every object means
I will turn them all off.

Terry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Reinout Heeck
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:20 AM
> To: VW NC
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
>
>
> > Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the yin/yang
> > icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent UndefinedObject
> > (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
> > otherwise general objects
> >
>
> I have played with several of the published icon schemes and they all
> seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.
>
> A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon, as a result
> a lot more information shines through simply by the presence of icons
> (as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape -- particularly
> cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).
>
>
>
> No icon on Object pretty please :-)
>
>
> R
> -
>
> _______________________________________________
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Christian Haider

[vwnc] [Fix] empty Object icon (was: AW: New icons for the RefactoringBrowser)

In reply to this post by Reinout Heeck-2

Just changed it in my image to see how it looks. - Better!

Attached is the non-intrusive fix for 7.6:
- added empty Icon #blank to ToolListIcons
- added ClassDescription>>toolListIcon (only RuntimeDeletedBehavior will keep the ying/yang :-)

Cheers,
Christian

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Terry Raymond
> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 13:46
> An: 'VW NC'
> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
>
> +1 !!
>
> A few icons are useful, but an icon for every object means
> I will turn them all off.
>
> Terry
>
> ===========================================================
> Terry Raymond
> Crafted Smalltalk
> 80 Lazywood Ln.
> Tiverton, RI 02878
> (401) 624-4517 [hidden email]
> <http://www.craftedsmalltalk.com>
> ===========================================================
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Reinout Heeck
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:20 AM
> > To: VW NC
> > Subject: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
> >
> >
> > > Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of
> the yin/yang
> > > icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent
> UndefinedObject
> > > (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
> > > otherwise general objects
> > >
> >
> > I have played with several of the published icon schemes
> and they all
> > seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.
> >
> > A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon,
> as a result
> > a lot more information shines through simply by the
> presence of icons
> > (as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape --
> particularly
> > cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).
> >
> >
> >
> > No icon on Object pretty please :-)
> >
> >
> > R
> > -
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > vwnc mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
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Colin Putney

Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

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On 10-Oct-08, at 12:19 AM, Reinout Heeck wrote:

> No icon on Object pretty please :-)

+1

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Lautaro Fernández

Re: [vwnc] [Fix] empty Object icon (was: AW: New icons for the RefactoringBrowser)

In reply to this post by Christian Haider

Taking your idea, I've published again the set of icons (NewVassilisIcon) in order to have or not an icon (YingYang) for every object in the RB.
To change it go to the settings-> tools-> browser and then check/uncheck the option.

That's all,
Lautaro

PS: sorry Christian for the double mail.

2008/10/10 Christian Haider <[hidden email]>

Just changed it in my image to see how it looks. - Better!

Attached is the non-intrusive fix for 7.6:
- added empty Icon #blank to ToolListIcons
- added ClassDescription>>toolListIcon (only RuntimeDeletedBehavior will keep the ying/yang :-)

Cheers,
Christian

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Terry Raymond
> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 13:46
> An: 'VW NC'
> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
>
> +1 !!
>
> A few icons are useful, but an icon for every object means
> I will turn them all off.
>
> Terry
>
> ===========================================================
> Terry Raymond
> Crafted Smalltalk
> 80 Lazywood Ln.
> Tiverton, RI 02878
> (401) 624-4517 [hidden email]
> <http://www.craftedsmalltalk.com>
> ===========================================================
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Reinout Heeck
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:20 AM
> > To: VW NC
> > Subject: Re: [vwnc] New icons for the RefactoringBrowser
> >
> >
> > > Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of
> the yin/yang
> > > icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent
> UndefinedObject
> > > (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
> > > otherwise general objects
> > >
> >
> > I have played with several of the published icon schemes
> and they all
> > seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.
> >
> > A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon,
> as a result
> > a lot more information shines through simply by the
> presence of icons
> > (as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape --
> particularly
> > cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).
> >
> >
> >
> > No icon on Object pretty please :-)
> >
> >
> > R
> > -
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > vwnc mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc
>
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[vwnc] Antwort: Re: New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

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+1

(no icon for Object and yin-yang for UndefinedObject)

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Re: [vwnc] Antwort: Re: New icons for the RefactoringBrowser

I would say goog looking well designed and well rendered icons yes. Otherwise no.

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> >>> Wow, those are nice. However, I've NEVER been a fan of the
> >> yin/yang
> >>> icon representing "object", IMO, it should represent
> >> UndefinedObject
> >>> (being neither a thing nor not a thing), and something else for
> >>> otherwise general objects
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> >> I have played with several of the published icon schemes and they all
> >> seem to suffer the same problem: Object has an icon.
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> >> A lot less visual noise is created when Object has no icon,
> >> as a result
> >> a lot more information shines through simply by the presence of icons
> >> (as opposed to needing to interpret their actual shape --
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> >> cumbersome when /all/ entries have an icon).
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