[vwnc] VisualWorks in smartphones

Hi list,
           we are about to buy a smartphone and I just wanted to make
sure that VW should run fine in it. The device is a Samsung SGH-i900
Omnia (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039).
Could someone confirm that the device/OS is supported?

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We support Windows CE on x86 and ARM based systems.  It should work on  
that system, but bear in mind that we haven't tested that device  
specifically

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Dear Andrés,

I am sorry, there is no guarantee that VisualWorks will run on any special device other than the tested ones. But from the specs given you have a fair chance that it will: it is an XScale processor running MS Windows Mobile.

If there should occur any problems we'll be able to adapt VisualWorks to the given specs. We can offer this as a service on a times&material basis.

So, my recommendation: if possible try it out!

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Hi list,
           we are about to buy a smartphone and I just wanted to make sure that VW should run fine in it. The device is a Samsung SGH-i900 Omnia (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039).
Could someone confirm that the device/OS is supported?

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Thanks James and Helge for your responses! I guess we'll take the chance.

Best regards,
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Hi James,

I tried to run VW on WinCE recently. It wouldn't work on the 64 meg unit - came back with a memory initialization error.
I would guess that at least 128 megs is needed.

David

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:28 -0400, James Robertson wrote:

We support Windows CE on x86 and ARM based systems.  It should work on  
that system, but bear in mind that we haven't tested that device  
specifically

James Robertson
Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library




On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Andres Fortier wrote:

> Hi list,
>           we are about to buy a smartphone and I just wanted to make
> sure that VW should run fine in it. The device is a Samsung SGH-i900
> Omnia (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039).
> Could someone confirm that the device/OS is supported?
>
> -- 
> Thanks in advance,
> 		              Andrés
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Hi James,

I tried to run VW on WinCE recently. It wouldn't work on the 64 meg unit - came back with a memory initialization error.
I would guess that at least 128 megs is needed.

David

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:28 -0400, James Robertson wrote:

We support Windows CE on x86 and ARM based systems.  It should work on  
that system, but bear in mind that we haven't tested that device  
specifically

James Robertson
Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist
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Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library




On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Andres Fortier wrote:

> Hi list,
>           we are about to buy a smartphone and I just wanted to make
> sure that VW should run fine in it. The device is a Samsung SGH-i900
> Omnia (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039).
> Could someone confirm that the device/OS is supported?
>
> -- 
> Thanks in advance,
> 		              Andrés
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I wouldn’t waste time and focus in on the iPhone. This platform seems to be a ringer and has a commercial model that is growing fast, is trendy and hot, and is working for software developers (unlike almost every other commercial software model that is failing now). VW Smalltalk is nicer than Objective C (at least for us graying geeks), unless you like doing your own memory managementJ

 

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nowak, Helge
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:47 AM
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WinCE is more like a construction kit and all WinCE devices differ heavily in their libraries. Therefore we simply cannot tell in advance whether VisualWorks will run on a given device.

 

Maybe 64MB are indeed not enough depending on what else runs on the device, but that may or may not have been the problem with your device (see above). You can also try adjusting the size of the memory available to programs. Some devices allow that, some don't.

 

Cheers

Helge

 

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An: Robertson, James
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Hi James,

I tried to run VW on WinCE recently. It wouldn't work on the 64 meg unit - came back with a memory initialization error.
I would guess that at least 128 megs is needed.

David

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:28 -0400, James Robertson wrote:

We support Windows CE on x86 and ARM based systems.  It should work on  

that system, but bear in mind that we haven't tested that device  

specifically

James Robertson

Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView

Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library

On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Andres Fortier wrote:

> Hi list,

>           we are about to buy a smartphone and I just wanted to make

> sure that VW should run fine in it. The device is a Samsung SGH-i900

> Omnia (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039).

> Could someone confirm that the device/OS is supported?

> 

> -- 

> Thanks in advance,

>                            Andrés

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Hi everybody

please bare in mind that the memory setting slider in WinCE has to be
moved so that VisualWorks has enough memory to actualy start up! Default
settings may lead to the observed behaviour, also stop all running apps
to free up memory first. We used VW on an HP device with 64Meg, it was
only a small image, and we carefully had to adjust the memory slider,
dividing OS-Memory from application-Memory.

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With the caveat that VW doesn't run on the iPhone (and it's unlikely to anytime soon).
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Hi James,

we found one of the problems with web apps on the phone is the relatively weak transmitter that a portable device has. The transmitter uses up more
power the further it gets from the base station, and it needs to be able to talk back as well as receive information. Receiving is easier than sending
the return signal. Sometimes you can not always reply to a message, such as a http message  for example.

I think there is a need to explore this further, find out a recommended platform and more tests to show what communications can be done over
portables like phones or hand helds. Maybe we could dedicate a forum or something so that we can crystalize this info?

regards,

David


On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 09:24 -0400, James Robertson wrote:

With the caveat that VW doesn't run on the iPhone (and it's unlikely to anytime soon).

However, it's quite possible to create web apps that will work fine on the iPhone, and Seaside would be a great choice there

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On Oct 16, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Conor Shankey wrote:

I wouldn’t waste time and focus in on the iPhone. This platform seems to be a ringer and has a commercial model that is growing fast, is trendy and hot, and is working for software developers (unlike almost every other commercial software model that is failing now). VW Smalltalk is nicer than Objective C (at least for us graying geeks), unless you like doing your own memory managementJ

 

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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nowak, Helge
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:47 AM
To: [hidden email]; Robertson, James
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Subject: Re: [vwnc] VisualWorks in smartphones

 

WinCE is more like a construction kit and all WinCE devices differ heavily in their libraries. Therefore we simply cannot tell in advance whether VisualWorks will run on a given device.

 

Maybe 64MB are indeed not enough depending on what else runs on the device, but that may or may not have been the problem with your device (see above). You can also try adjusting the size of the memory available to programs. Some devices allow that, some don't.

 

Cheers

Helge

 

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Von: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von david
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2008 17:30
An: Robertson, James
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Betreff: Re: [vwnc] VisualWorks in smartphones

Hi James,

I tried to run VW on WinCE recently. It wouldn't work on the 64 meg unit - came back with a memory initialization error. 
I would guess that at least 128 megs is needed. 

David

On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 08:28 -0400, James Robertson wrote:

We support Windows CE on x86 and ARM based systems.  It should work on  
that system, but bear in mind that we haven't tested that device  
specifically
 
James Robertson
Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library
 
 
 
 
On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Andres Fortier wrote:
 
> Hi list,
>           we are about to buy a smartphone and I just wanted to make
> sure that VW should run fine in it. The device is a Samsung SGH-i900
> Omnia (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039).
> Could someone confirm that the device/OS is supported?
> 
> -- 
> Thanks in advance,
>                            Andrés
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Nowak, Helge escreveu:
> Dear Conor,
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> I would also be interested in which way you think the iPhone "commercial
> model ... is working for software developers" better than others.
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It works in a way that for a relatively small development effort (couple weeks of firing up something neat and handy with Cocoa or Ruby), one gets instant revenue of several thousand dollars a month, or even per week, if a gadget happens to become very popular. And the global iPhone user base is still growing.
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Squeak runs on iPhone so may be this is time to help getting better  
there.

Stef

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