[vwnc] flowchart tools

First, sorry I haven't been checking the mail often. When I said "out there" I meant "available in the community", not "too different to be considered". I merely wanted something against which to compare it.

 

From my preliminary look, GF/ST seems to raise exceptions, since it has not been kept up to date.

 

The HotDraw PERT Chart demo is close to what I need, so I'm looking more closely into that. It does indeed display little window specs on the drawing, such as:

 

PERTEventAppModel class>>windowSpec
 "UIPainter new openOnClass: self andSelector: #windowSpec"

 

 <resource: #canvas>
 ^#(#FullSpec 
  #window: 
  #(#WindowSpec 
   #label: 'Unlabeled Canvas'

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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:35 AM
To: VWNC
Subject: Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools

You can use VW widgets as part of a graphic object, but I think that’s one of the bits that is too out of date to work. I wouldn’t think it would take much work to get it going again. I don’t recall if there was automatic support for a full windowSpec.

Steve

 

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From: Maarten MOSTERT [[hidden email]] 
Sent: 17. lokakuuta 2008 18:24
To: Steven Kelly; VWNC
Subject: Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools

 

I remember that Hotdraw has this very cool feature of being able to use Gui painted canvasses. Does GF/ST does that to ?

Regards,

@+Maarten,

 

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I don’t have time to write an in-depth comparison now, but we did spend considerable time evaluating both. The GF/ST directory is about three times bigger, which translates to more breadth and depth in the framework, and more importantly more documentation. The fact that it was a commercial product, as opposed to an academic example, shows through (although since Cincom bought it, they haven’t put the necessary effort into it to keep it up to date with changes in VW).

 

I’m sure HotDraw is fine, but its strong focus on constraints was unnecessary in our project.

 

Steve

 

From: Pierre Bommel [[hidden email]] 
> Sent: 16 October 2008 22:17
> To: Steven Kelly
> Cc: VWNC
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools

 

Well, I am anxious: why do you say that HotDraw is out ? We are building a simulation framework using HotDraw and it's OK because it is simple and clear, and efficient !
> And why GF/ST is better ?
> Thanks,
>     Pierre
> 
> Steven Kelly a écrit :

GF/ST is another option, generally better than HotDraw for use as a framework (rather than for teaching about frameworks).

 

Steve

 

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> Sent: 14 October 2008 17:47
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> I'm starting a new project that will draw flowcharts - boxes with arrows pointing to other boxes, with a few decorations here and there. I know HotDraw is out there, but I'd like to evaluate several options. What else is available?

> Thanks,

> Dave

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First, sorry I haven't been checking the mail often. When I said "out there" I meant "available in the community", not "too different to be considered". I merely wanted something against which to compare it.

 

From my preliminary look, GF/ST seems to raise exceptions, since it has not been kept up to date.

 

The HotDraw PERT Chart demo is close to what I need, so I'm looking more closely into that. It does indeed display little window specs on the drawing, such as:

 

PERTEventAppModel class>>windowSpec
 "UIPainter new openOnClass: self andSelector: #windowSpec"

 

 <resource: #canvas>
 ^#(#FullSpec 
  #window: 
  #(#WindowSpec 
   #label: 'Unlabeled Canvas'

<snip>

Stevenson, Dave (contr) <[hidden email]> 
972-946-4890

 

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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:35 AM
To: VWNC
Subject: Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools

You can use VW widgets as part of a graphic object, but I think that’s one of the bits that is too out of date to work. I wouldn’t think it would take much work to get it going again. I don’t recall if there was automatic support for a full windowSpec.

Steve

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Maarten MOSTERT [[hidden email]] 
Sent: 17. lokakuuta 2008 18:24
To: Steven Kelly; VWNC
Subject: Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools

 

I remember that Hotdraw has this very cool feature of being able to use Gui painted canvasses. Does GF/ST does that to ?

Regards,

@+Maarten,

 

> Message du 17/10/08 12:50
> De : "Steven Kelly" 
> A : "VWNC" 
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools
> 
> [vwnc] flowchart tools

I don’t have time to write an in-depth comparison now, but we did spend considerable time evaluating both. The GF/ST directory is about three times bigger, which translates to more breadth and depth in the framework, and more importantly more documentation. The fact that it was a commercial product, as opposed to an academic example, shows through (although since Cincom bought it, they haven’t put the necessary effort into it to keep it up to date with changes in VW).

 

I’m sure HotDraw is fine, but its strong focus on constraints was unnecessary in our project.

 

Steve

 

From: Pierre Bommel [[hidden email]] 
> Sent: 16 October 2008 22:17
> To: Steven Kelly
> Cc: VWNC
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] flowchart tools

 

Well, I am anxious: why do you say that HotDraw is out ? We are building a simulation framework using HotDraw and it's OK because it is simple and clear, and efficient !
> And why GF/ST is better ?
> Thanks,
>     Pierre
> 
> Steven Kelly a écrit :

GF/ST is another option, generally better than HotDraw for use as a framework (rather than for teaching about frameworks).

 

Steve

 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stevenson, Dave (contr)
> Sent: 14 October 2008 17:47
> To: VWNC
> Subject: [vwnc] flowchart tools

 

> I'm starting a new project that will draw flowcharts - boxes with arrows pointing to other boxes, with a few decorations here and there. I know HotDraw is out there, but I'd like to evaluate several options. What else is available?

> Thanks,

> Dave

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