what happened with Shout colors in Pharo 1.1?

On 10/15/2010 9:40 AM, Simon Denier wrote:

On 15 oct. 2010, at 17:31, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

They've changed a lot from 1.0. For example, self, super, etc, are not in "orange" or that color of 1.0.
Instances variables, are blue (instead of black), the same as parameters,etc...

is there a way to recover the original colors? do we wanted  this change  or it is accidental ?

I think the colors in 1.0 were inherited from the dev images build by Damien Cassou. In 1.1, the colors comes from the settings of Lukas, who maintains Shout? Am I wrong?

I preferred the old colors as well and switched them back.  The new ones are just too weak, not enough color, not enough bold, can't tell things apart.

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On 15 oct. 2010, at 17:31, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> They've changed a lot from 1.0. For example, self, super, etc, are not in "orange" or that color of 1.0.
> Instances variables, are blue (instead of black), the same as parameters,etc...
>
> is there a way to recover the original colors? do we wanted  this change  or it is accidental ?

I think the colors in 1.0 were inherited from the dev images build by Damien Cassou. In 1.1, the colors comes from the settings of Lukas, who maintains Shout? Am I wrong?

I liked the colors in 1.0, but now I am accustomed to the current theme, which is very keen to the eye, except for two things that I change:
- distinguish instance vars/class vars from other variables: I use a brownish color for that, as I want to see at once methods accessing the state of the object
- distinguish class references: I use bold black as in the previous style, as I want to quickly catch hard dependencies in the code

To customize colors, two solutions:
1) hack SHTextStylerST80>>defaultStyleTable

2) load latest Shout and use Settings (then you should be able to save/load your style), since there is now a Settings interface

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On 23 oct. 2010, at 19:13, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

To customize colors, two solutions:
1) hack SHTextStylerST80>>defaultStyleTable

did you do this?  can you share?

Well that's the standard mechanism which was already in place. Just take a look at the comment to learn the format. It's a bit cumbersome to use though.

To change style for instance vars/class vars

(instVar ( blue muchDarker ) )

(classVar ( blue muchDarker )  )

To change style for class (actually it's more like access to global variables)

(poolConstant ( blue muchDarker ) )

(globalVar ( blue muchDarker ) ) 

 

2) load latest Shout and use Settings (then you should be able to save/load your style), since there is now a Settings interface

The problem is that I have my own style also....and when you save an style I think you save it completly...I guess you cannot merge, so I will loose my own changes.
Anyway, can you export and share the style so that I can take a look?

Yes, we talked about that with Alain at Esug. It would be cool if the 'choose packages' button, which filters entries in the settings, would also apply to saving style. That way we could only save partial settings.

Anyway, there's not much to change through the Settings browser. Easier to show there:

Before:

After:

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On 10/23/2010 10:11 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

Exactly.

Can you or Simon provide a script to set back the original colors?? So
that we can apply this for next PharoDev images?  (or at least for my
own images)

Thanks

Mariano

I just went back in the package history and found the point where Damien changed the colors and grabbed the previous version.  I have a ConfigurationOfDevelopment class that loads all my local packages, so I just added a method to it to reload the old colors.  Here it is...

setColors
       SHTextStylerST80 styleTable:
       #(
       "(symbol        color           [emphasisSymbolOrArray          [textStyleName [pixelHeight]]])"                
       (default                                                                black           )
       (invalid                                                                red                     )
       (excessCode                                                             red                     )
       (comment                                                                (green muchDarker)              italic)
       (unfinishedComment                                      (red muchDarker)        italic)
       (#'$'                                                                   (red muchDarker)        )
       (character                                                              (red muchDarker)        )
       (integer                                                                        (red muchDarker)        )
       (number                                                         (red muchDarker)        )      
       (#-                                                                             (red muchDarker)        )
       (symbol                                                                 (blue muchDarker)                       bold)  
       (stringSymbol                                                   (blue muchDarker)                       bold)  
       (literalArray                                                   (blue muchDarker)                       bold)
       (string                                                                 (magenta muchDarker)    normal)
       (unfinishedString                                               red                     normal          )
       (assignment                                                             nil                     bold                    )
       (ansiAssignment                                                 nil                     bold)
       (literal                                                                        nil                     italic)
       (keyword                                                                (blue muchDarker)                       )
       (binary                                                                 (blue muchDarker)                       )      
       (unary                                                                  (blue muchDarker)                       )
       (incompleteKeyword                                              (gray muchDarker)                       underlined)
       (incompleteBinary                                               (gray muchDarker)                       underlined)    
       (incompleteUnary                                                (gray muchDarker)                       underlined)
       (undefinedKeyword                                               red                     )
       (undefinedBinary                                                red                     )      
       (undefinedUnary                                         red                     )                                                                                                      
       (patternKeyword                                                 nil                     bold)
       (patternBinary                                                  nil                     bold)
       (patternUnary                                                   nil                     bold)  
       (#self                                                                  (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (#super                                                                 (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (#true                                                                  (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (#false                                                                         (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (#nil                                                                   (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (#thisContext                                                   (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (#return                                                                (red muchDarker)        bold)
       (patternArg                                                     (blue muchDarker)                       italic)
       (methodArg                                                              (blue muchDarker)                       italic)
       (blockPatternArg                                                (blue muchDarker)                       italic)
       (blockArg                                                               (blue muchDarker)                       italic)
       (argument                                                               (blue muchDarker)                       italic)
       (blockArgColon                                                  black           )
       (leftParenthesis                                                        black           )
       (rightParenthesis                                               black           )
       (leftParenthesis1                                               (green muchDarker)              )
       (rightParenthesis1                                              (green muchDarker)              )
       (leftParenthesis2                                               (magenta muchDarker)            )
       (rightParenthesis2                                              (magenta muchDarker)            )
       (leftParenthesis3                                               (red muchDarker)                )
       (rightParenthesis3                                              (red muchDarker)                )
       (leftParenthesis4                                               (green darker)          )
       (rightParenthesis4                                              (green darker)          )
       (leftParenthesis5                                               (orange darker)         )
       (rightParenthesis5                                              (orange darker)         )
       (leftParenthesis6                                               (magenta darker)                )
       (rightParenthesis6                                              (magenta darker)                )
       (leftParenthesis7                                               blue            )
       (rightParenthesis7                                              blue            )
       (blockStart                                                             black           )
       (blockEnd                                                               black           )
       (blockStart1                                                            (green muchDarker)                      )
       (blockEnd1                                                              (green muchDarker)                      )
       (blockStart2                                                            (magenta muchDarker)            )
       (blockEnd2                                                              (magenta muchDarker)            )
       (blockStart3                                                            (red muchDarker)                )
       (blockEnd3                                                              (red muchDarker)                )
       (blockStart4                                                            (green darker)          )
       (blockEnd4                                                              (green darker)          )
       (blockStart5                                                            (orange darker)         )
       (blockEnd5                                                              (orange darker)         )
       (blockStart6                                                            (magenta darker)                )
       (blockEnd6                                                              (magenta darker)                )
       (blockStart7                                                            blue            )
       (blockEnd7                                                              blue            )                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
       (arrayStart                                                             black           )
       (arrayEnd                                                               black           )
       (arrayStart1                                                    black           )
       (arrayEnd1                                                              black           )
       (leftBrace                                                              black           )
       (rightBrace                                                             black           )
       (cascadeSeparator                                               black           )
       (statementSeparator                                             black           )
       (externalCallType                                               black           )
       (externalCallTypePointerIndicator               black           )
       (primitiveOrExternalCallStart                   black   bold    )
       (primitiveOrExternalCallEnd                             black   bold    )
       (methodTempBar                                                  gray            )
       (blockTempBar                                                   gray            )
       (blockArgsBar                                                   gray            )
       (primitive                                                              (green muchDarker)              bold)
       (pragmaKeyword                                          (green muchDarker)              bold)
       (pragmaUnary                                                    (green muchDarker)              bold)
       (pragmaBinary                                                   (green muchDarker)              bold)                                                                  
       (externalFunctionCallingConvention              (green muchDarker)              bold)
       (module                                                                 (green muchDarker)              bold)
       (blockTempVar                                                   gray            italic)
       (blockPatternTempVar                                    gray            italic)
       (instVar                                                                black           bold)
       (workspaceVar                                                   black           bold)
       (undefinedIdentifier                                            red                     bold)
       (incompleteIdentifier                                   (gray darker)   (italic underlined))
       (tempVar                                                                (gray darker)   italic)
       (patternTempVar                                         (gray darker)   italic)
       (poolConstant                                                   (gray darker)   italic)
       (classVar                                                               (gray darker)   bold)
       (globalVar                                                              black           bold) )

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On 10/25/2010 11:04 AM, Simon Denier wrote:

Uhuh, that's indeed the old theme, but as said before I now prefer the
current theme with some adaptations: it's less aggressive to the eye.

And several of us have said, we like the old theme, very much because it's so aggressive to the eye.  It's easy to identify things.  The new theme is much less useful.  The new style has removed colors and italics and has too much stuff looking the same; it's just bland.  The old style is simply better because it visually separates different kinds of variables and scopes with color and font style.  Local variables don't look like arguments, etc.

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On 10/25/2010 12:35 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

Sorry Simon, but I agree with Ramon. It is much clear for my eyes :)

Check out this (the formatting may be broken, but it should work):

Nope, you've removed the bold, I like the bold, it makes the color stand out.  Without bold, you can barely see the colors.

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Thanks Levente, but yes, still agree with Ramon.

Anyway, this is why this is a preference, and it is not fixed. But anyway, we should select a better default one.

cheers

mariano

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Ramon Leon <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:35 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

Sorry Simon, but I agree with Ramon. It is much clear for my eyes :)

Check out this (the formatting may be broken, but it should work):

Nope, you've removed the bold, I like the bold, it makes the color stand out.  Without bold, you can barely see the colors.

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If you want the black for normal selectors (new theme), what do you think about this one (even if I prefer ramon one)

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(sorry but it was already set...)

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks Levente, but yes, still agree with Ramon.

Anyway, this is why this is a preference, and it is not fixed. But anyway, we should select a better default one.

cheers

mariano

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Ramon Leon <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:35 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

Sorry Simon, but I agree with Ramon. It is much clear for my eyes :)

Check out this (the formatting may be broken, but it should work):

Nope, you've removed the bold, I like the bold, it makes the color stand out.  Without bold, you can barely see the colors.

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Ramon Leon
http://onsmalltalk.com

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