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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Stéphane Ducasse
Hi helene

this is not a question quarrels. I'm over that since some moment now.
This is a question of removing/cleaning/organizing. So we will remove softSqueak and package it and save into the
PharoTheme project so that people can load it if they want.
I would like to get some beautiful looks that look like today standard.

Stef

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Helene Bilbo wrote:

>
> "Stéphane Ducasse“ wrote:
>>
>> I would really like to remove the standard squeak because it is terrible.
>> I set it up since some updates and
>> I cannot work with it anymore.
>>
>
> No, it is not terrible. It is very beautiful, and much more useful and
> innovative than for example fake-windows or fake-macos themes.
> People like me who came to Pharo after you forked from Squeak have no idea
> of your quarrels with the Squeak-Community (i only read it afterwards in the
> mailing-lists) and have therefore no problem with using the best from every
> implementation (the beautiful theme from squeak and the random refactorings
> from pharo ;)
> And while i would have no problem with loading the theme by hand — if i
> would remove themes it would not be the squeak theme..
>
> Have a look at:
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/princeton-study-shows-that-easy-fonts-make-things-harder-to-reme/
> Princeton study shows that easy fonts make things harder to remember:
> "Fortune favors the bold (and the Italicized)"
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/who-is-using-softSqueak-and-standard-Squeak-tp3407241p3415787.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Patrick Barroca
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My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.

From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
Is this the right direction ?


On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Patrick Barroca <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes!

Partick if you want to extend the default theme to add color please do. We can create a repo
PharoThemes and we are done.
I would really like to remove the standard squeak because it is terrible. I set it up since some updates and
I cannot work with it anymore.

Ok, I'll take a look at it.

I'll try to make a default theme with the same color scheme as standard squeak.

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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 30 Mar 2011, at 10:53, Patrick Barroca wrote:

> My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
> If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.
>
> From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
> Is this the right direction ?

If that would work, that would be great: simple & effective.
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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Patrick Barroca
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Hello,

Just to say that I have now a simple theme extending UITheme with the look of Glamourous and the support of squeak windows colour management.

Since I worked in 1.2 I have yet to verify how this load in Pharo 1.3 and then I will publish it ;)

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
> If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.
>
> From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
> Is this the right direction ?

yes :)
I plan to refactor/clean the theme package too.
So if you have results let us know.

Stef



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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks

I want to rename, repackage, glamourous and remove the bubble oriented color squeak look and keep one old sq colored for now.
On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Patrick Barroca wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just to say that I have now a simple theme extending UITheme with the look of Glamourous and the support of squeak windows colour management.
>
> Since I worked in 1.2 I have yet to verify how this load in Pharo 1.3 and then I will publish it ;)
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
> > If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.
> >
> > From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
> > Is this the right direction ?
>
> yes :)
> I plan to refactor/clean the theme package too.
> So if you have results let us know.
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Barroca


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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Patrick Barroca
Hello,


I published the theme on squeaksource, it loads in 1.2 and 1.3.

I named it StandardUITheme,

 

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks

I want to rename, repackage, glamourous and remove the bubble oriented color squeak look and keep one old sq colored for now.
On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Patrick Barroca wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just to say that I have now a simple theme extending UITheme with the look of Glamourous and the support of squeak windows colour management.
>
> Since I worked in 1.2 I have yet to verify how this load in Pharo 1.3 and then I will publish it ;)
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
> > If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.
> >
> > From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
> > Is this the right direction ?
>
> yes :)
> I plan to refactor/clean the theme package too.
> So if you have results let us know.
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Barroca




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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks. I will remove the old theme and keep this one.

Stef
On Apr 2, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Patrick Barroca wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I published the theme on squeaksource, it loads in 1.2 and 1.3.
> Repo is http://www.squeaksource.com/PBASandbox
>
> I named it StandardUITheme,
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks
>
> I want to rename, repackage, glamourous and remove the bubble oriented color squeak look and keep one old sq colored for now.
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Patrick Barroca wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Just to say that I have now a simple theme extending UITheme with the look of Glamourous and the support of squeak windows colour management.
> >
> > Since I worked in 1.2 I have yet to verify how this load in Pharo 1.3 and then I will publish it ;)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
> > > If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.
> > >
> > > From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
> > > Is this the right direction ?
> >
> > yes :)
> > I plan to refactor/clean the theme package too.
> > So if you have results let us know.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Patrick Barroca
>
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Barroca
> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>


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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

laurent laffont
Patrick,

I think we should have a ConfigurationOfPharoThemes with all the themes you have made + current ones. I can help (may be a good subject for a our weekly coding-dojo)

PharoCore should have only one theme I think.

Laurent.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. I will remove the old theme and keep this one.

Stef
On Apr 2, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Patrick Barroca wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I published the theme on squeaksource, it loads in 1.2 and 1.3.
> Repo is http://www.squeaksource.com/PBASandbox
>
> I named it StandardUITheme,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks
>
> I want to rename, repackage, glamourous and remove the bubble oriented color squeak look and keep one old sq colored for now.
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Patrick Barroca wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Just to say that I have now a simple theme extending UITheme with the look of Glamourous and the support of squeak windows colour management.
> >
> > Since I worked in 1.2 I have yet to verify how this load in Pharo 1.3 and then I will publish it ;)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > My first look yesterday night taught me that different windows colour management is a basic behaviour of UITheme via #patchworkUIThemeColorFor:.
> > > If I simply subclass UITheme and do nothing more I get more or less a standard squeak theme with coloured windows minus some fills and borders styles.
> > >
> > > From here I think I could try to make a simple theme with the look of Glamourous one with support for squeak windows colour management.
> > > Is this the right direction ?
> >
> > yes :)
> > I plan to refactor/clean the theme package too.
> > So if you have results let us know.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Patrick Barroca
>
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Barroca
> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>



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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Marcus Denker-4
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On Apr 2, 2011, at 9:55 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

Patrick,

I think we should have a ConfigurationOfPharoThemes with all the themes you have made + current ones. I can help (may be a good subject for a our weekly coding-dojo)

PharoCore should have only one theme I think.


And in turn this means that pharo full has *all* of them? Nonono... it has already *far* too much stuff nobody cares about.

Marcus


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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

laurent laffont

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Apr 2, 2011, at 9:55 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

Patrick,

I think we should have a ConfigurationOfPharoThemes with all the themes you have made + current ones. I can help (may be a good subject for a our weekly coding-dojo)

PharoCore should have only one theme I think.


And in turn this means that pharo full has *all* of them? Nonono... it has already *far* too much stuff nobody cares about.

I'm not saying that Pharo should have all of them.   We can have:
- ConfigurationOfPharoThemes project latestVersion load:#default   =>  load the most used themes (ex: Glamour + Watery2) - for Pharo Full
- ConfigurationOfPharoThemes project latestVersion load:#softSqueak  for the few (?) people who want to use softSqueak for example. 

So ConfigurationOfPharoThemes will be an easy way to reference all working themes

Laurent.
 

Marcus


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Re: who is using softSqueak and standard Squeak

Patrick Barroca


On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM, laurent laffont <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Apr 2, 2011, at 9:55 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

Patrick,

I think we should have a ConfigurationOfPharoThemes with all the themes you have made + current ones. I can help (may be a good subject for a our weekly coding-dojo)

PharoCore should have only one theme I think.


And in turn this means that pharo full has *all* of them? Nonono... it has already *far* too much stuff nobody cares about.

I'm not saying that Pharo should have all of them.   We can have:
- ConfigurationOfPharoThemes project latestVersion load:#default   =>  load the most used themes (ex: Glamour + Watery2) - for Pharo Full
- ConfigurationOfPharoThemes project latestVersion load:#softSqueak  for the few (?) people who want to use softSqueak for example. 

So ConfigurationOfPharoThemes will be an easy way to reference all working themes

Laurent.
 

Marcus


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INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.



Marcus, I totally agree with you, my target is to find a mean to have a default theme in Pharo core and other easy to load themes in Pharo full.

A theme in itself should be self contained and should only depend on UITheme/UIThemeIcons.
Thus a simple repository called PharoTheme could suffice for "officially" supported ones.

What is loaded by default in Pharo full is up to the Pharo team, IMHO there is currently to many themes by default.

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