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EstebanLM

why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

Hi,
I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked
the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.

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Guillermo Polito

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

I don't know why, but how did you open in that case the world menu without minimizing every window?

Cheers,
Guille

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Hi,
I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.

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Schwab,Wilhelm K

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

Which is an argument against the world menu??

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I don't know why, but how did you open in that case the world menu without minimizing every window?

Cheers,
Guille

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
Hi,
I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.

Cheers,
Esteban

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Carla F. Griggio

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P

It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be visible". Is there?

If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on the background.
But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full screen helps.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote:

Which is an argument against the world menu??

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I don't know why, but how did you open in that case the world menu without minimizing every window?

Cheers,
Guille

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Geert Claes

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

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Carla F. Griggio wrote

Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P

It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be visible". Is there?

If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full screen helps.

I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)?

World Menu in the menu

On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.

Alain Plantec-4

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

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Le 07/07/2010 15:02, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
> Hi,
> I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked
> the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.
>
> Cheers,
> Esteban
Hi Esteban,
there is a setting for that.
Appearance/Morphic/Windows/Full screen margin

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EstebanLM

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

cool, thanks

On 2010-07-08 07:29:46 -0300, Alain Plantec
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> Le 07/07/2010 15:02, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>> Hi,
>> I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked
>
>> the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Esteban
> Hi Esteban,
> there is a setting for that.
> Appearance/Morphic/Windows/Full screen margin
>
> Cheers
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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geert Claes <[hidden email]> wrote:

Carla F. Griggio wrote:
>
> Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P
>
> It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more
> confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's
> another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be
> visible". Is there?
>
> If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on
> the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full
> screen helps.
>

I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the
Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)?

http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/World_Menu.png

This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.

Cheers

Mariano

On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is
that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the
Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on
a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows
button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a
nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.

http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png
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Geert Claes

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

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Mariano Martinez Peck wrote

This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.

That would be nice, but no that mock-up is quickly made in Visio. As much as I would like to make stuff like that, I wouldn't have a clue how to do something like that in Morphic ;( Any links to good/recent morphic tutorials would be great :)

Henrik Sperre Johansen

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:34 01PM, Geert Claes wrote:

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>
> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>> This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac,
>> but it is only MacOS.
>>
>
> That would be nice, but no that mock-up is quickly made in Visio. As much
> as I would like to make stuff like that, I wouldn't have a clue how to do
> something like that in Morphic ;( Any links to good/recent morphic
> tutorials would be great :)
> --

The same DockingBarMorph you see in Squeak 4.1 is still there, just not used / containing any items :)

DockingBarMorph new
adhereToTop; openInWorld

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Henrik Sperre Johansen

Re: why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?

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On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:30 15AM, Geert Claes wrote:

>
> On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is
> that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the
> Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on
> a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows
> button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a
> nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.

Displaying x / + / - over the red/green/yellow dots when hovered over, like is done in OSX, shouldn't be too hard.
Vistary theme already does this, so it's a simple matter of creating new images, and studying what is done there.

Not sure it'd be as easy to go for the black dot in the red button if window has unsaved changes though :)

Cheers,
Henry
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Mariano Abel Coca

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What would be great is not using the squeak menu inside the world, but drawing it on the system window. More like mac's, that is integrated in the global menu.

In Linux there is a GlobalMenuApplet for Gnome Panels that works like mac's Global Menu, and removes the menu from the windows and merges on the pannel. It's a nice advance to a mac interface. (That and CairoDock, of course)

I don't have a clue about how to do it, but dreaming is free. :)

Cheers,

Mariano.

2010/7/8 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geert Claes <[hidden email]> wrote:

Carla F. Griggio wrote:
>
> Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P
>
> It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more
> confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's
> another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be
> visible". Is there?
>
> If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on
> the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full
> screen helps.
>

I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the
Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)?

http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/World_Menu.png

This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.

Cheers

Mariano

On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is
that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the
Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on
a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows
button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a
nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.

http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png
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Gary Chambers-4

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For Mariano's side note...

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2716

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What would be great is not using the squeak menu inside the world, but drawing it on the system window. More like mac's, that is integrated in the global menu.

In Linux there is a GlobalMenuApplet for Gnome Panels that works like mac's Global Menu, and removes the menu from the windows and merges on the pannel. It's a nice advance to a mac interface. (That and CairoDock, of course)

I don't have a clue about how to do it, but dreaming is free. :)

Cheers,

Mariano.

2010/7/8 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geert Claes <[hidden email]> wrote:

Carla F. Griggio wrote:

>
> Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P
>
> It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more
> confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's
> another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be
> visible". Is there?
>
> If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on
> the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full
> screen helps.
>

I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the
Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)?

http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/World_Menu.png

This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.

Cheers

Mariano

On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is
that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the
Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on
a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows
button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a
nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.

http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png
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Geert Claes

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Thanks Gary, that's great!

Richard Durr-2

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Maybe using more graphics from the Aristo-Theme could be a solution
for the window-button problem?
http://cappuccinotutorials.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bildschirmfoto-2009-12-06-um-11-47-11.png?w=473&h=442

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