On 23.01.2006 11:55, stéphane ducasse wrote:
> Hi > > I think that what is also important to consider is that we do not own > the people time. > And even if you vote because you want something to be done, it may > happen that nothing happen at the end. Nevertheless it may be interesting for people to know what others want, if they have more than one idea; a good example is http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/940 . OK, a little bit outdated, but a nice try. Regards, Stephan > > Stef >... -- Stephan Rudlof ([hidden email]) "Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, 'Today I will be brilliant.'" -- Kirk, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3 |
On 24.01.2006 01:07, I wrote:
> On 23.01.2006 11:55, stéphane ducasse wrote: > >>Hi >> >>I think that what is also important to consider is that we do not own >>the people time. > > >>And even if you vote because you want something to be done, it may >>happen that nothing happen at the end. > > > Nevertheless it may be interesting for people to know what others want, > if they have more than one idea; a good example is > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/940 > . > OK, a little bit outdated, but a nice try. No, it has been far more than a try: he has really finished one of these projects! --sr >... -- Stephan Rudlof ([hidden email]) "Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, 'Today I will be brilliant.'" -- Kirk, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3 |
In reply to this post by timrowledge
Strange. I'll look later today whether there's a walkback on the
server or something. In any case, Adrian's call seems to have helped, there's now a whole list of stuff. Apparently the software still has quirks, judging by the empty items, I'll clean it up when I have some time, maybe later today. Regards, Cees On 1/23/06, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 23-Jan-06, at 2:26 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > So far there are only four items in this list of wish items at > > http://de-1.tric.nl/seaside/sqp/list (not counting Lukas' joker). > > Is everybody so pleased or desperate or just not interested enough? > > Hey, it's not about signing up to do the work in this case... > well I can't login to vote. SqP seems to work ok so no idea what went > wrong. > > > tim > -- > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim > <-------- The information went data way --------> > > > > |
In reply to this post by Cees De Groot
Il giorno dom, 22/01/2006 alle 18.11 +0100, Cees De Groot ha scritto:
> On 1/22/06, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote: > > For a very long time we've been talking (waffling?) about making a > > break and adopting a new compiled method format, cutting out a lot of > > ancient backwards compatible dross, ... oh, lots. 4.0 really ought to > > be that. > > > Yup. And if I recall correctly, the last time we discussed this the > idea was to make 3.9 the latest of the 3 series, and start working on > a 'burn the diskpacks' 4.0 after that. Are we sure that the current process can handle a 4.0 release in a smooth way? Wouldn't it be better if we had another 3.x release, in order to fine tune the process? Giovanni |
On 25-Jan-06, at 12:15 PM, Giovanni Corriga wrote: > > [snip] > Are we sure that the current process can handle a 4.0 release in a > smooth way? Wouldn't it be better if we had another 3.x release, in > order to fine tune the process? I think we should anticipate at least another 3.x release before any 4.0. A bunch of work to do. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim No program done by an undergrad will work after she graduates. |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +0100, Martin Wirblat <[hidden email]> writes:
> Cees De Groot wrote: > .... > >> - Advise, I repeat: advise, the 3.9a team. They're entirely free to >> completely ignore the outcome of this stuff, although if many many >> many people vote for something and they don't do it, it'd be nice if >> they'd give a reason; > > A few people play leaders and they feel free to completely ignore the > complete community. You described exactly the sad state of Squeak > today. Why don't you work on documenting, implementing, and debugging? Those who do the work get a *lot* more say in what work does or doesn't get done. Those who do the work deserve to lead. They don't deserve your complaints. Scott |
Scott A Crosby <[hidden email]> writes:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +0100, Martin Wirblat <[hidden email]> writes: > >> Cees De Groot wrote: >> .... >> >>> - Advise, I repeat: advise, the 3.9a team. They're entirely free to >>> completely ignore the outcome of this stuff, although if many many >>> many people vote for something and they don't do it, it'd be nice if >>> they'd give a reason; >> >> A few people play leaders and they feel free to completely ignore the >> complete community. You described exactly the sad state of Squeak >> today. > > Why don't you work on documenting, implementing, and debugging? Those > who do the work get a *lot* more say in what work does or doesn't get > done. > > Those who do the work deserve to lead. They don't deserve your > complaints. > > Scott I don't understand why we don't want listen someone who feel that there is a sad state and a problem into the squeak community ? Why such attacks ? Do we want that he feels guilty ? Because he's not documenting, implementing or debugging ? Why not to welcome him and understand his feelings - deeply ? Do we say that he's wrong ? Why don't listen to him ? This is true that there is leaders in this community. Do we really need leaders ? And please, don't kill this question, it's so easy to say : "obviously we need them !". Putting it into question is something really important, because humans used to have chiefs, leaders, presidents : it seems something widely accepted... And why leader want to lead ? And what about voting ? Isn't voting the authority of the majority on the minority ? And what if the minority is right ? Has rightness something to do with both leading or voting ? It seems that we draw a relation between both things, but is it right ? Cheers, Samir |
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