64 bit vm and image for MacOSX 10.5.x Leopard?

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone created a 64 bit Squeak VM and image for Intel MacOSXdot5
> Leopard? If so where is it? I couldn't find it at
> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64.
>
> Is the latest mac vm both 32 bit and 64 bit?
>
> How does the mac vm get created? How is that different than creating  
> a unix vm or a pc vm?
>
> Is there a 64 bit image created for each published image? If not,  
> why not? If not then how about putting a menu option so it's easy to  
> generate a 64 bit image (or 32 bit image for that matter) from the  
> current image? That would be cool to be able to have it transform in  
> both directions... and to be easy for novices without having to  
> think about the process... which is really only for us uber technies  
> anyhow.
>
> MacOSX 10.5 is now 64 bits. We need to show off the 64 bit smalltalk  
> to the world. Can it be done with one FAT binary or with two apps?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Hi,
>
> I think your may find your answer here:
> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html
>
> HTH
>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone created a 64 bit Squeak VM and image for Intel MacOSXdot5
>> Leopard? If so where is it? I couldn't find it at
>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64.
>>
>> Is the latest mac vm both 32 bit and 64 bit?
>>
>> How does the mac vm get created? How is that different than creating
>> a unix vm or a pc vm?
>>
>> Is there a 64 bit image created for each published image? If not, why
>> not? If not then how about putting a menu option so it's easy to
>> generate a 64 bit image (or 32 bit image for that matter) from the
>> current image? That would be cool to be able to have it transform in
>> both directions... and to be easy for novices without having to think
>> about the process... which is really only for us uber technies anyhow.
>>
>> MacOSX 10.5 is now 64 bits. We need to show off the 64 bit smalltalk
>> to the world. Can it be done with one FAT binary or with two apps?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mth
>
>
>
>

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the link to the page on 64 bit vms: http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html 
> . It's is in need of updating. MacOSX 10.5.x Leopard needs to be  
> added to the question: "For which hardware/OS combinations is there  
> a 64-bit VM?".
>
> Now that the MacOSX 10.5.x 64 bit Leopard has been released more  
> people will likely want to use a 64 bit squeak. This version of  
> MacOSX is the first 64 bit OS that will go big time (ok there is  
> vista too which this also applies to).
>
> How does the mac vm .app file get created? how does one create a 64  
> bit version? Who builds the mac version?
>
> It would be better than nice if there was an official 64 bit  
> download for Mac and Vista. 64 bits are becoming popular and it's  
> important to get on the band wagon in terms of letting people easily  
> download it without having to generate their own vm's and images.  
> Can we add these as standard builds from now on please? Who makes  
> the standard vm builds for the Mac and Windows?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter

>
> Mathieu Suen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think your may find your answer here:
>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Has anyone created a 64 bit Squeak VM and image for Intel MacOSXdot5
>>> Leopard? If so where is it? I couldn't find it at
>>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64.
>>>
>>> Is the latest mac vm both 32 bit and 64 bit?
>>>
>>> How does the mac vm get created? How is that different than  
>>> creating a unix vm or a pc vm?
>>>
>>> Is there a 64 bit image created for each published image? If not,  
>>> why not? If not then how about putting a menu option so it's easy  
>>> to generate a 64 bit image (or 32 bit image for that matter) from  
>>> the current image? That would be cool to be able to have it  
>>> transform in both directions... and to be easy for novices without  
>>> having to think about the process... which is really only for us  
>>> uber technies anyhow.
>>>
>>> MacOSX 10.5 is now 64 bits. We need to show off the 64 bit  
>>> smalltalk to the world. Can it be done with one FAT binary or with  
>>> two apps?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Mth
>>

>
> Then you should ask the vm mailing-list:
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev
>
> Cheers
>
>     Mth
>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the link to the page on 64 bit vms:
>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html. It's is in need of updating.
>> MacOSX 10.5.x Leopard needs to be added to the question: "For which
>> hardware/OS combinations is there a 64-bit VM?".
>>
>> Now that the MacOSX 10.5.x 64 bit Leopard has been released more
>> people will likely want to use a 64 bit squeak. This version of
>> MacOSX is the first 64 bit OS that will go big time (ok there is
>> vista too which this also applies to).
>>
>> How does the mac vm .app file get created? how does one create a 64
>> bit version? Who builds the mac version?
>>
>> It would be better than nice if there was an official 64 bit download
>> for Mac and Vista. 64 bits are becoming popular and it's important to
>> get on the band wagon in terms of letting people easily download it
>> without having to generate their own vm's and images. Can we add
>> these as standard builds from now on please? Who makes the standard
>> vm builds for the Mac and Windows?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>
>>
>> Mathieu Suen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think your may find your answer here:
>>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone created a 64 bit Squeak VM and image for Intel MacOSXdot5
>>>> Leopard? If so where is it? I couldn't find it at
>>>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64.
>>>>
>>>> Is the latest mac vm both 32 bit and 64 bit?
>>>>
>>>> How does the mac vm get created? How is that different than
>>>> creating a unix vm or a pc vm?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a 64 bit image created for each published image? If not,
>>>> why not? If not then how about putting a menu option so it's easy
>>>> to generate a 64 bit image (or 32 bit image for that matter) from
>>>> the current image? That would be cool to be able to have it
>>>> transform in both directions... and to be easy for novices without
>>>> having to think about the process... which is really only for us
>>>> uber technies anyhow.
>>>>
>>>> MacOSX 10.5 is now 64 bits. We need to show off the 64 bit
>>>> smalltalk to the world. Can it be done with one FAT binary or with
>>>> two apps?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mth
>>>
>
>
>
>
>

> Hi,
>
> Thanks again for the link. I'll going the list.
>
> However, what I'm wondering is how the squeak group can set it up  
> so it's easy for people to get into 64 bit squeak with a single  
> download and NO effort on their part. That's where the value is -  
> making it easy for the vast majority. It's why Windows beat Unix  
> (until MacOSX that is) - ease of use (and low cost). Squeak clearly  
> has low cost, now it needs ease of use in the 64 bit arena. 64 bit  
> open croquet would also rock.
>
> All the best,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Mathieu Suen wrote:
>>
>> Then you should ask the vm mailing-list:
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>     Mth
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link to the page on 64 bit vms: http://
>>> squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html. It's is in need of updating.  
>>> MacOSX 10.5.x Leopard needs to be added to the question: "For  
>>> which hardware/OS combinations is there a 64-bit VM?".
>>>
>>> Now that the MacOSX 10.5.x 64 bit Leopard has been released more  
>>> people will likely want to use a 64 bit squeak. This version of  
>>> MacOSX is the first 64 bit OS that will go big time (ok there is  
>>> vista too which this also applies to).
>>>
>>> How does the mac vm .app file get created? how does one create a  
>>> 64 bit version? Who builds the mac version?
>>>
>>> It would be better than nice if there was an official 64 bit  
>>> download for Mac and Vista. 64 bits are becoming popular and it's  
>>> important to get on the band wagon in terms of letting people  
>>> easily download it without having to generate their own vm's and  
>>> images. Can we add these as standard builds from now on please?  
>>> Who makes the standard vm builds for the Mac and Windows?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>>>
>>> Mathieu Suen wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think your may find your answer here:
>>>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone created a 64 bit Squeak VM and image for Intel  
>>>>> MacOSXdot5
>>>>> Leopard? If so where is it? I couldn't find it at
>>>>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the latest mac vm both 32 bit and 64 bit?
>>>>>
>>>>> How does the mac vm get created? How is that different than  
>>>>> creating a unix vm or a pc vm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a 64 bit image created for each published image? If  
>>>>> not, why not? If not then how about putting a menu option so  
>>>>> it's easy to generate a 64 bit image (or 32 bit image for that  
>>>>> matter) from the current image? That would be cool to be able  
>>>>> to have it transform in both directions... and to be easy for  
>>>>> novices without having to think about the process... which is  
>>>>> really only for us uber technies anyhow.
>>>>>
>>>>> MacOSX 10.5 is now 64 bits. We need to show off the 64 bit  
>>>>> smalltalk to the world. Can it be done with one FAT binary or  
>>>>> with two apps?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mth
>>>>
>>

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the link to the page on 64 bit vms: http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html 
> . It's is in need of updating. MacOSX 10.5.x Leopard needs to be  
> added to the question: "For which hardware/OS combinations is there  
> a 64-bit VM?".
>
> Now that the MacOSX 10.5.x 64 bit Leopard has been released more  
> people will likely want to use a 64 bit squeak. This version of  
> MacOSX is the first 64 bit OS that will go big time (ok there is  
> vista too which this also applies to).
>
> How does the mac vm .app file get created? how does one create a 64  
> bit version? Who builds the mac version?

>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:44 AM, Peter William Lount wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the link to the page on 64 bit vms: http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/faq.html 
>> . It's is in need of updating. MacOSX 10.5.x Leopard needs to be  
>> added to the question: "For which hardware/OS combinations is there  
>> a 64-bit VM?".
>>
>> Now that the MacOSX 10.5.x 64 bit Leopard has been released more  
>> people will likely want to use a 64 bit squeak. This version of  
>> MacOSX is the first 64 bit OS that will go big time (ok there is  
>> vista too which this also applies to).
>>
>> How does the mac vm .app file get created? how does one create a 64  
>> bit version? Who builds the mac version?
>
> If someone has funding, why this would happen sooner.
>
> The unix VM is built from time to time by Ian Piumarta, the cocoa  
> version is unix like with nods to mac support
>
> I build the mac carbon version from time to time, which is mac like  
> with nods to unix support.
> This VM is based on the original code from Squeak Central out of  
> Apple in the 1994-96 timeframe,
> however much of it has changed and the os-7.5.5.-9.x support was  
> dropped during the transition to MacIntel.
>
> To transition to 64 bit, we need a pure cocoa version, all support  
> routines need to be check for 64 bit issues, and all the plugins  
> rebuilt, this is all outside of the issue
> of having either the VM in 64bit mode and working with either a  
> 32bit or 64bit image.
>
> David T Lewis has been looking at the plugins.
>
> Ian and I have been lately talking about the Cocoa implementation.
>
> Lastly I'm not sure a headless os-x VM will run in 64bit mode, I  
> don't know if anyone has attempted to compile it and confirmed all  
> the support routines specific to os-x darwin
> are working as expected.

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