A 1 million bucks question :)

Hi!

José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
Let me just say:

- Thank you for pulling this work! It is invaluable.

- I usually build my VMs from source etc but still find it VERY
important to have a solid *up to date* Debian/Ubuntu package for the VM
in official repositories. I think a lot of us share that view.

regards, Göran

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:46:24AM +0100, Jos?? Luis Redrejo Rodr??guez wrote:
Well actually the work is not really complete, because we have not yet
integrated it into the official sources. I'll take this as a gentle
reminder ;)

Thanks,
Dave

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:59:45AM +0100, G??ran Krampe wrote:
Thanks indeed! This is very important work. It may not be obvious to
everyone reading this list, but I think that managing the packaging
for a Linux distro is really a big job. It requires an understanding
of the haphazard progression of Squeak and VM development, an understanding
of the wide range of platforms (including 32/64 bit and various processors)
supported by the Linux distro, coordination with release cycles for
the distro, and an understanding of license issues. That's quite a
lot to take on, and it is a very valuable service for the large
majority of Squeak users who are more interested in using Squeak
than in trying to figure out how to build or install the software.

Dave

On Thursday 17 December 2009 01:59:07 pm José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
> squeak.sh has the same problem I've discussed once again in this list for
> the last four years: they are developer focused. I don't have anything
> against a developer view, but I want the squeak packages being end-user
> friendly. I'm very focused/biased on the educational uses of Squeak
Ditto here. Students often have to work from a pool of computers, so Bert and
I put in some code to make Etoys work off even a removable media or shared
folder with noexec. A script can be launched off even a noexec volume. All it
needs is a desktop file with Exec="sh /media/blah/etoys/etoys.sh".

> ... but I want to keep the gnome/kde and
> mime integration I added to the squeak-vm package.
Currently, squeakvm can work off any directory, so the *.desktop file also needs
to support this feature. But I don't know of any way to refer to the path
containing the *.desktop file in the spec and I am forced to work with patching
it after every move. Any idea on how to fix this?

Subbu

At Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:46:24 +0100,
José Luis Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> I don't want to scatter resources, I just gave Andreas some hints after he said he didn't understand the Linux problems. As I
> said in my first email, I've done a try of making squeak packages in Debian a collaborative work, and after six months without
> any help, I've given up and will continue the work on my own. The things I've said in this email are things I've said in the
> last years in this list, in vm-dev or in person with some of the squeakers, from Alan Kay to Yoshiki Ohshima. I don't want to
> begin a new discussion, I just surrender to the evidences. That's
> all

  Sorry for causing a lot of frustration, José.  Surely, I must have
dropped some balls.  But I thought we did something toward the goal
(c) you mentioned.  It is true that I didn't try to track the all
discussion in the Debian world after our relicensing efforts...  That
I thought did get Etoys at least to the "non-free" section.  (I was
tracking these discussion when Lex Spoon was involved in debian-legal,
but...  Like you would agree, that kind of discussion is enough to
burn one out.)

   Again I'm sorry for not tracking everything, but could you explain
what was the objection to make it "main"?

  One thing that was or was not related was that it is binary.
Various people thought about it but also various people thought that
it is not our problem but theirs if that is the sticking point.

-- Yoshiki