A browser for the WordNet lexical db in Smalltalk, anybody?
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Hi list,
has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db in Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files, - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of disk space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file. Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet browser in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers) - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but, unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint. Thanks in advance for your feedback. /Klaus -- "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: [squeak-dev] A browser for the WordNet lexical db in Smalltalk, anybody?
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Hi Klaus,
This is a great idea! I'll be glad to test anything you create. Unfortunately I don't have any time for development. Steve On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi list, > > has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db in > Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files, > > - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain > > actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of > memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of disk > space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file. > > Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet browser > in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web > interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers) > > - > http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c > > and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class > rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but, > unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint. > > Thanks in advance for your feedback. > > /Klaus > > -- > "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". > Albert Einstein > > > -- How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world. -- Anne Frank Paradise is exactly where you are right now...only much, much better. -- Laurie Anderson _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: A browser for the WordNet lexical db in Smalltalk, anybody?
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Hi Steve,
on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:57 +0100, you wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > This is a great idea! I'll be glad to test anything you create. :) > Unfortunately I don't have any time for development. Do you happen to know Norberto, he emailed that he made an object model in Squeak some time ago. Perhaps he can find it and send it to me over the weekend. /Klaus P.S. suggestions for a WordNet browser GUI in Squeak, anybody ? > Steve > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db in >> Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files, >> >> - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain >> >> actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of >> memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of >> disk >> space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file. >> >> Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet >> browser >> in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web >> interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers) >> >> - >> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c >> >> and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class >> rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but, >> unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint. >> >> Thanks in advance for your feedback. >> >> /Klaus >> >> -- >> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". >> Albert Einstein >> >> >> > > > -- "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: [squeak-dev] Re: A browser for the WordNet lexical db in Smalltalk, anybody?
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Klaus D. Witzel
<[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:57 +0100, you wrote: > >> Hi Klaus, >> >> This is a great idea! I'll be glad to test anything you create. > > :) > >> Unfortunately I don't have any time for development. > > Do you happen to know Norberto, he emailed that he made an object model in > Squeak some time ago. Perhaps he can find it and send it to me over the > weekend. Don't know Norberto. I hope he sends you an object model. Maybe you're different but the blank sheet of paper is the hardest part of creating anything for me. > P.S. suggestions for a WordNet browser GUI in Squeak, anybody ? Typeahead for search, mouseover for everything in the WN archive, and an easy-to-extend model. I'm interested in poetry so one thing I've thought about is adding some of poetry's technical details to a word's information---syllables, stresses, rhymes, etc. With the right kind of interface, I could enter a poem I like and enter (some or all of) the information along the way, or just after. Half an hour at a time. >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: >>> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db in >>> Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files, >>> >>> - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain >>> >>> actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of >>> memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of >>> disk >>> space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file. >>> >>> Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet >>> browser >>> in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web >>> interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers) >>> >>> - >>> >>> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c >>> >>> and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class >>> rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but, >>> unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for your feedback. >>> >>> /Klaus >>> >>> -- >>> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". >>> Albert Einstein >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert > Einstein > > > Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Hi Steve,
on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:07:34 +0100, you wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> >> on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:57 +0100, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Klaus, >>> >>> This is a great idea! I'll be glad to test anything you create. >> >> :) >> >>> Unfortunately I don't have any time for development. >> >> Do you happen to know Norberto, he emailed that he made an object model >> in >> Squeak some time ago. Perhaps he can find it and send it to me over the >> weekend. > > Don't know Norberto. I hope he sends you an object model. Maybe > you're different but the blank sheet of paper is the hardest part of > creating anything for me. Na, that's the easier part ;) took objects without pointers (words -> Strings, synset id's -> SmallIntegers, synsets -> subclass of LookupKey) and Dictionary, easy and extendible. Only performance of Dictionary is poor (unrelated to object model). >> P.S. suggestions for a WordNet browser GUI in Squeak, anybody ? > > Typeahead for search, Oh. Have you seen some (re-)usable code for that? This seems not to be soo straight-forward with morphic Squeak (example: Preferences browser). > mouseover for everything in the WN archive, Nah, too many WN entries have more than a screen-full of info (all the relations, all the synsets they point to, etc). I thought about a *browser* like the Smalltalk browsers, with panes for categories/relations and scrollable info-area. > and > an easy-to-extend model. I'm interested in poetry so one thing I've > thought about is adding some of poetry's technical details to a word's > information---syllables, stresses, rhymes, etc. This I do not understand. WordNet is about semantical relations of synsets, not about isolated *words* (despite "word" in its name). There is nothing one could store for one word, only for a synset/sense (multiple words). Of course a relation like "rhymes_with" could be added easily but, there's nothing in WordNet for morphology, affixes, syllables and such. > With the right kind > of interface, I could enter a poem I like and enter (some or all of) > the information along the way, or just after. Half an hour at a time. So you think about a poetry text editor? well, I thought about a browser for information retrival. >>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi list, >>>> >>>> has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db >>>> in >>>> Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files, >>>> >>>> - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain >>>> >>>> actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of >>>> memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of >>>> disk >>>> space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file. >>>> >>>> Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet >>>> browser >>>> in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web >>>> interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers) >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c >>>> >>>> and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class >>>> rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but, >>>> unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for your feedback. >>>> >>>> /Klaus >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". >>>> Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". >> Albert >> Einstein >> >> >> > > -- "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: [squeak-dev] Re: A browser for the WordNet lexical db in Smalltalk, anybody?
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Steve, > > on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:07:34 +0100, you wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:57 +0100, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Klaus, >>>> >>>> This is a great idea! I'll be glad to test anything you create. >>> >>> :) >>> >>>> Unfortunately I don't have any time for development. >>> >>> Do you happen to know Norberto, he emailed that he made an object model >>> in >>> Squeak some time ago. Perhaps he can find it and send it to me over the >>> weekend. >> >> Don't know Norberto. I hope he sends you an object model. Maybe >> you're different but the blank sheet of paper is the hardest part of >> creating anything for me. > > Na, that's the easier part ;) took objects without pointers (words -> > Strings, synset id's -> SmallIntegers, synsets -> subclass of LookupKey) and > Dictionary, easy and extendible. > > Only performance of Dictionary is poor (unrelated to object model). Saw the btree thread. >>> P.S. suggestions for a WordNet browser GUI in Squeak, anybody ? >> >> Typeahead for search, > > Oh. Have you seen some (re-)usable code for that? This seems not to be soo > straight-forward with morphic Squeak (example: Preferences browser). Don't know how reusable the code is but I'm reasonably sure I've seen some of the code tools supporting typeahead. >> mouseover for everything in the WN archive, > > Nah, too many WN entries have more than a screen-full of info (all the > relations, all the synsets they point to, etc). I thought about a *browser* > like the Smalltalk browsers, with panes for categories/relations and > scrollable info-area. > >> and >> an easy-to-extend model. I'm interested in poetry so one thing I've >> thought about is adding some of poetry's technical details to a word's >> information---syllables, stresses, rhymes, etc. > > This I do not understand. WordNet is about semantical relations of synsets, > not about isolated *words* (despite "word" in its name). There is nothing > one could store for one word, only for a synset/sense (multiple words). Thanks for spurring me to learn what a synset is. In case you haven't seen it yet, the Interfaces section of the Wikipedia page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordNet ) has some links you may find interesting. > Of course a relation like "rhymes_with" could be added easily but, there's > nothing in WordNet for morphology, affixes, syllables and such. > >> With the right kind >> of interface, I could enter a poem I like and enter (some or all of) >> the information along the way, or just after. Half an hour at a time. > > So you think about a poetry text editor? well, I thought about a browser for > information retrival. I'd like that, too. >>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi list, >>>>> >>>>> has anyone started with/plans for a browser for a WordNet lexical db in >>>>> Smalltalk? I checked their Prolog formatted files, >>>>> >>>>> - http://wordnet.princeton.edu/obtain >>>>> >>>>> actually read them into a Squeak .image; they need only a handful of >>>>> memory MB (7.5, strings as yet not symbolized) plus less than 10MB of >>>>> disk >>>>> space if gloss texts would be stored in the .changes file. >>>>> >>>>> Also, if anyone already has (or had) ideas for a GUI for a WordNet >>>>> browser >>>>> in Squeak please let me know (!) I cannot say I like their basic Web >>>>> interface (it has nothing that a Smalltalk browser offers) >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o0=1&o1=1&r=1&s=small+talk&i=1&h=100#c >>>>> >>>>> and think that can be done better for local use, for example in class >>>>> rooms (and of course when authoring documentation for Squeak ;) but, >>>>> unlikely for the OLPC because of the footprint. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for your feedback. >>>>> >>>>> /Klaus >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". >>>>> Albert Einstein >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". >>> Albert >>> Einstein >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert > Einstein > > > -- How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world. -- Anne Frank Paradise is exactly where you are right now...only much, much better. -- Laurie Anderson _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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