[ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

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> On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:08 PM, laurent laffont wrote:
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>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Please check...
>>
>>
>>        https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28340/PharoCore-1.2.zip
>>
>>
>> What is the official VM for Pharo 1.2 ? Running all tests with Cog (OSX) => crash.
>>
>
> Not cog yet... all the time the integration server did *not* run cog, so I would not push
> it in the last second. Just one tiny step at a time... 1.3 then we should start to
> use Cog (for integration, too)... first we need to finish the hudson build of Cog, though.
>
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>

> Saturday, 1.2 worked with a Cog-Stack VM.
>
> Noury
> On 14 mars 2011, at 15:17, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:08 PM, laurent laffont wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Please check...
>>>
>>>
>>>        https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28340/PharoCore-1.2.zip
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the official VM for Pharo 1.2 ? Running all tests with Cog (OSX) => crash.
>>>
>>
>> Not cog yet... all the time the integration server did *not* run cog, so I would not push
>> it in the last second. Just one tiny step at a time... 1.3 then we should start to
>> use Cog (for integration, too)... first we need to finish the hudson build of Cog, though.
>>
>>
>>       Marcus
>>
>> --
>> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>
>
> Noury Bouraqadi
> http://car.mines-douai.fr/noury
> --
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> “Control Architecture of Robots”
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> -19th ESUG International Smalltalk Conference
> 22-26 August 2011, Edinburgh, UK
> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2011
>
> -19èmes Journées Francophones sur les Systèmes Multi-Agents (JFSMA’11)
> http://www.univ-valenciennes.fr/congres/jfsma2011/
> 17-19 Octobre 2011, Valenciennes, France
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>

> Excellent! Can somebody update
>
>    http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/stable-core
>
> because it still points to Pharo 1.1.1, thus the build server picks up
> the old image.
>
> Lukas
>
> On 14 March 2011 22:13, Noury Bouraqadi <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Saturday, 1.2 worked with a Cog-Stack VM.
>>
>> Noury
>> On 14 mars 2011, at 15:17, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:08 PM, laurent laffont wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Please check...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28340/PharoCore-1.2.zip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the official VM for Pharo 1.2 ? Running all tests with Cog (OSX) => crash.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not cog yet... all the time the integration server did *not* run cog, so I would not push
>>> it in the last second. Just one tiny step at a time... 1.3 then we should start to
>>> use Cog (for integration, too)... first we need to finish the hudson build of Cog, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>       Marcus
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>>
>>
>> Noury Bouraqadi
>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/noury
>> --
>> -6th National Conference on
>> “Control Architecture of Robots”
>> 24-25 may 2011, Grenoble area, France
>> http://car2011.inrialpes.fr/
>>
>> -19th ESUG International Smalltalk Conference
>> 22-26 August 2011, Edinburgh, UK
>> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2011
>>
>> -19èmes Journées Francophones sur les Systèmes Multi-Agents (JFSMA’11)
>> http://www.univ-valenciennes.fr/congres/jfsma2011/
>> 17-19 Octobre 2011, Valenciennes, France
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> www.lukas-renggli.ch
>

> Lukas
>
> On 16 March 2011 18:09, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Excellent! Can somebody update
>>
>>    http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/stable-core
>>
>> because it still points to Pharo 1.1.1, thus the build server picks up
>> the old image.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> On 14 March 2011 22:13, Noury Bouraqadi <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Saturday, 1.2 worked with a Cog-Stack VM.
>>>
>>> Noury
>>> On 14 mars 2011, at 15:17, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:08 PM, laurent laffont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Please check...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28340/PharoCore-1.2.zip
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the official VM for Pharo 1.2 ? Running all tests with Cog (OSX) => crash.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not cog yet... all the time the integration server did *not* run cog, so I would not push
>>>> it in the last second. Just one tiny step at a time... 1.3 then we should start to
>>>> use Cog (for integration, too)... first we need to finish the hudson build of Cog, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Marcus
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
>>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Noury Bouraqadi
>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/noury
>>> --
>>> -6th National Conference on
>>> “Control Architecture of Robots”
>>> 24-25 may 2011, Grenoble area, France
>>> http://car2011.inrialpes.fr/
>>>
>>> -19th ESUG International Smalltalk Conference
>>> 22-26 August 2011, Edinburgh, UK
>>> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2011
>>>
>>> -19èmes Journées Francophones sur les Systèmes Multi-Agents (JFSMA’11)
>>> http://www.univ-valenciennes.fr/congres/jfsma2011/
>>> 17-19 Octobre 2011, Valenciennes, France
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lukas Renggli
>> www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
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>
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> www.lukas-renggli.ch
>
>

>
>> I've got my complete Jenkins server building on Pharo 1.2 now:
>>
>>    http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/
>>
>> Some stuff is still a bit broken, but it looks good so far.
>>
> cool.
>
> We need to put a pressure on INRIA guys to upgrade to jenkins..
> because right now
> some things are not working well

>> Very good! We then can release the 1.2 Full soon, too.
>> I wonder if we should adopt your OB codebase for that? Or do
>> we wait for 1.2.1?
>
> I would wait a bit. I noticed that the debugger is quite broken. I
> only get the pre-debug window, but clicking on any button opens
> another pre-debug window. I don't have time to investigate, is this
> also in core or some side-effect of loading/unloading packages? The
> method #topView seems to be missing.
>
> Lukas
>
> --
> Lukas Renggli
> www.lukas-renggli.ch
>

> Ahh, looks like SimpleMorphic has some (probably unintentional)
> overrides of core methods. Unloading the package pretty much breaks
> everything :-(
>
> Lukas
>
> On 18 March 2011 07:02, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Very good! We then can release the 1.2 Full soon, too.
>>> I wonder if we should adopt your OB codebase for that? Or do
>>> we wait for 1.2.1?
>>
>> I would wait a bit. I noticed that the debugger is quite broken. I
>> only get the pre-debug window, but clicking on any button opens
>> another pre-debug window. I don't have time to investigate, is this
>> also in core or some side-effect of loading/unloading packages?

> On Mar 18, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>> Ahh, looks like SimpleMorphic has some (probably unintentional)
>> overrides of core methods. Unloading the package pretty much breaks
>> everything :-(
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> On 18 March 2011 07:02, Lukas Renggli<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>> Very good! We then can release the 1.2 Full soon, too.
>>>> I wonder if we should adopt your OB codebase for that? Or do
>>>> we wait for 1.2.1?
>>> I would wait a bit. I noticed that the debugger is quite broken. I
>>> only get the pre-debug window, but clicking on any button opens
>>> another pre-debug window. I don't have time to investigate, is this
>>> also in core or some side-effect of loading/unloading packages?
> I would not unload packaged.
>
> Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am
> sure you will have problems.
>
> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core.
>
> Marcus

>
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>> I thought the general idea was to remove SimpleMorphic before releases?
>> Think I read so in an issue, or on the list.
>
>
> Yes, but it was not done for 1.2 and 1.2 is *finished*.
>
> If we want to do that, we need to do that *not after the release is released*
> but before.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> --
> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>
>

>> I would not unload packaged.
>>
>> Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am
>> sure you will have problems.
>>
>> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core.
>
> You must be joking right? In the mission you say "stable and small
> core", but the numbers say something entirely different: PharoCore 1.0
> is 11 MB, PharoCore 1.1 is 14 MB, PharoCore 1.2 is 16 MB. I mentioned
> it before in this list, but I already had to unload stuff in PharoCore
> 1.1. Honestly, I don't really see the point of a PharoCore image if it
> contains more and more not unloadable non-core code.
>

>
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>>> I would not unload packaged.
>>>
>>> Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am
>>> sure you will have problems.
>>>
>>> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core.
>>
>> You must be joking right? In the mission you say "stable and small
>> core", but the numbers say something entirely different: PharoCore 1.0
>> is 11 MB, PharoCore 1.1 is 14 MB, PharoCore 1.2 is 16 MB. I mentioned
>> it before in this list, but I already had to unload stuff in PharoCore
>> 1.1. Honestly, I don't really see the point of a PharoCore image if it
>> contains more and more not unloadable non-core code.
>>
> Size of the image comes in part from ever growing MC history.

>
> I would not unload packaged.
>>>
>>> Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am
>>> sure you will have problems.
>>>
>>> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core.
>>
>> You must be joking right? In the mission you say "stable and small
>> core", but the numbers say something entirely different: PharoCore 1.0
>> is 11 MB, PharoCore 1.1 is 14 MB, PharoCore 1.2 is 16 MB. I mentioned
>> it before in this list, but I already had to unload stuff in PharoCore
>> 1.1. Honestly, I don't really see the point of a PharoCore image if it
>> contains more and more not unloadable non-core code.
>>
> Size of the image comes in part from ever growing MC history. The only
> other big thing should be the Minimal Morphic code, which is in there
> temporarily.
>
> Else:  People are welcome to help.
>
> We do what we do and then we do a release even if it is imperfect.
> Perfection is death, and delaying the release forever "because we could do better"
> will not mean that we do better, just that we don't release ever.
>
> Pharo 1.2 is *not* a goal in itself. It is just a snapshot on the way to a goal. Therefore
> it's just a mess that is tested for some month so it does not have any obvious bugs.
> Nothing else.
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>
>