[ANN] AIDA/Web app server 5.4 beta released on Squeak

> Dear Squeakers,
>
> I just finished a port of AIDA/Web application server and web
> framework (http://www.aidaweb.si) to Squeak and a beta is now
> available on SqueakSource (http://www.squeaksource.com/Aida).
>
> You are invited to try Aida, just follow installation instructions at
> http://www.aidaweb.si/download.html, then start by evaluating
> SwazooServer demoStart, open http://localhost:8888 and login with
> username admin, password password.
>
> For additional questions and suggestions please join a mailing list
> at: http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida .
>
> To introduce it a bit: AIDA/Web is a web server and framework for
> complex web applications with integrated Ajax support, rich collection
> of web components to build web pages programatically, MVC-like
> separation of presentation from domain, nice looking and bookmarkable
> url links, with integrated session and security management and many more.
>
> AIDA/Web is known by its simplicity but still allows building most
> demanding web applications of many sorts. It has everything you need
> for a real web app, together with Ajax.
>
> It is also a mature one, running web apps in production since 1996. It
> is used in many intranet business apps from Gas billing system for all
> gas in Slovenia to logistics management system called e-logis and
> recently a CMS like system for Quality and Business process management.
>
> I hope therefore that Squeakers will find Aida useful and a good
> alternative for building your web applications!
>
> Best regards
> Janko
>

>
>
> El 6/13/07 12:55 PM, "Janko Mivšek" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
>> Dear Squeakers,
>>
>> I just finished a port of AIDA/Web application server and web framework
>> (http://www.aidaweb.si) to Squeak and a beta is now available on
>> SqueakSource (http://www.squeaksource.com/Aida).
>>
>> You are invited to try Aida, just follow installation instructions at
>> http://www.aidaweb.si/download.html, then start by evaluating
>> SwazooServer demoStart, open http://localhost:8888 and login with
>> username admin, password password.
>>
>> For additional questions and suggestions please join a mailing list at:
>> http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida .
>>
>> To introduce it a bit: AIDA/Web is a web server and framework for
>> complex web applications with integrated Ajax support, rich collection
>> of web components to build web pages programatically, MVC-like
>> separation of presentation from domain, nice looking and bookmarkable
>> url links, with integrated session and security management and many more.
>>
>> AIDA/Web is known by its simplicity but still allows building most
>> demanding web applications of many sorts. It has everything you need for
>> a real web app, together with Ajax.
>>
>> It is also a mature one, running web apps in production since 1996. It
>> is used in many intranet business apps from Gas billing system for all
>> gas in Slovenia to logistics management system called e-logis and
>> recently a CMS like system for Quality and Business process management.
>>
>> I hope therefore that Squeakers will find Aida useful and a good
>> alternative for building your web applications!
>>
>> Best regards
>> Janko
>
> Janko:
>
> Only a word.
> WWOOOOOOW
>
> Works in 3.10.
> I attach my first crash, where you define Pixmap ? maybe I miss file some...
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> MessageNotUnderstood: UndefinedObject>>extent:
> 13 June 2007 3:43:19 pm
>
> VM: Mac OS - a SmalltalkImage
> Image: Squeak3.10alpha [latest update: #7113]
>
> SecurityManager state:
> Restricted: false
> FileAccess: true
> SocketAccess: true
> Working Dir Discovery:Users:admin:Squeak3.10
> Trusted Dir Discovery:Users:admin:Squeak3.10
> Untrusted Dir Discovery:Users:admin:Library:Preferences:Squeak:Internet:My Squeak
>
> UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #extent:
> Receiver: nil
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> aMessage: extent: 500@300
> Receiver's instance variables:
> nil
>
> WebGraph(WebLiveImage)>>drawImage
> Receiver: a WebGraph
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> pixmap: nil
> graphicsContext: nil
> image: nil
> stream: nil
> Receiver's instance variables:
> parent: nil
> elements: nil
> attributes: nil
> other: nil
> gif: nil
> refreshed: nil
> width: nil
> height: nil
> painter: nil
> data: nil
> margin: nil
> title: nil
> graphics: nil
>
> WebGraph(WebLiveImage)>>printHTMLPageOn:forSession:
> Receiver: a WebGraph
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> aStream: a WriteStream ''
> aSession: a WebSession
> Receiver's instance variables:
> parent: nil
> elements: nil
> attributes: nil
> other: nil
> gif: nil
> refreshed: nil
> width: nil
> height: nil
> painter: nil
> data: nil
> margin: nil
> title: nil
> graphics: nil
>
> AIDASite>>answer:toGetOrPost:on:
> Receiver: an AIDASite
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> anObject: a WebGraph
> aRequest: a HTTPRequest GET
> from: 127.0.0.1
> at: a SpTimestamp
> url: /image...etc...
> aWebSession: a WebSession
> page: a WebGraph
> stream: a WriteStream ''
> response: nil
> Receiver's instance variables:
> enabled: true
> uriPattern: an OrderedCollection(a SiteIdentifier)
> parent: a ServerRootComposite
> children: an OrderedCollection()
> name: 'aidademo'
> serving: true
> style: a WebStyle
> settings: a Dictionary(#afterLogin->#lastPage #countingPolicy->#all #diagnostic...etc...
> systemServices: a Dictionary(#Admin->a WebAdmin #Help->a WebHelp #MimeMap->a MI...etc...
> userServices: a Dictionary(#WebDemo->a WebDemo #WebDiscussions->a WebDiscussion...etc...
> timestamps: an IdentityDictionary(#Created->3359201872 #LastTimeAlive->33592018...etc...
> counters: an IdentityDictionary(#NewVisitors->a WebCounter #NotFound->a WebCoun...etc...
>
>
> --- The full stack ---
> UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #extent:
> WebGraph(WebLiveImage)>>drawImage
> WebGraph(WebLiveImage)>>printHTMLPageOn:forSession:
> AIDASite>>answer:toGetOrPost:on:
>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> AIDASite>>answer:to:on:
> [] in AIDASite>>answerTo: {[self log: self cr    , (self logStringFor: aRequest) , self cr , '         ...]}
> BlockContext>>on:do:
> AIDASite>>answerTo:
> AIDASite>>helpResolve:
> URIResolution>>visitResource:
> [] in URIResolution>>visitChildrenOf:advancing: {[:each |  response := self visitResource: each.  response isNil   ifFalse: [...]}
> OrderedCollection>>do:
> URIResolution>>visitChildrenOf:advancing:
> URIResolution>>resolveTransparentComposite:
> URIResolution>>resolveServerRoot:
> ServerRootComposite>>helpResolve:
> URIResolution>>visitResource:
> URIResolution class>>resolveRequest:startingAt:
> HTTPServer>>answerTo:
> [] in HTTPConnection>>produceResponseFor: {[aTask   response: (self server answerTo: aTask request).  self nextPutRespo...]}
> BlockContext>>on:do:
> SpExceptionContext class>>for:onAnyExceptionDo:
> HTTPConnection>>produceResponseFor:
> HTTPConnection>>getAndDispatchMessages
> [] in HTTPConnection>>interact {[[true]   whileTrue: [self getAndDispatchMessages.    Processor yield].  nil]}
> BlockContext>>on:do:
> SpExceptionContext class>>for:on:do:
> [] in HTTPConnection>>interact {[SpExceptionContext   for: [[true]     whileTrue: [self getAndDispatchMessag...]}
> [] in BlockContext>>newProcess {[self value.  Processor terminateActive]}
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En
> nombre de Cédrick Béler
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 13 de Junio de 2007 13:34
> Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Asunto: Re: [ANN] AIDA/Web app server 5.4 beta released on Squeak
>
> Hi Janko,
>
> Nice to see your work on squeak... I just had a quick look on
> the website and I don't relly get the specificities of this
> framework compared to existing ones...
>
> Can you give us more information on AIDA especially compared
> to seaside and also hv2
> (http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-A

> ...
>
> Are seaside and AIDA framework at the same level ?
>
> or what AIDA is better for ? In which case would you consider
> using AIDA or seaside or HV2?
>
> Is it efficient to deal with static web pages ?
>
> I've seen that prototype and scriptaculous are integrated, do
> you use the existing packages on squeaksource ?
>
> Thanks for your response and your work ;) It's always
> interesting to see alternatives...
>
> Cédrick
> > Dear Squeakers,
> >
> > I just finished a port of AIDA/Web application server and web
> > framework (http://www.aidaweb.si) to Squeak and a beta is now
> > available on SqueakSource (http://www.squeaksource.com/Aida).
> >
> > You are invited to try Aida, just follow installation
> instructions at
> > http://www.aidaweb.si/download.html, then start by evaluating
> > SwazooServer demoStart, open http://localhost:8888 and login with
> > username admin, password password.
> >
> > For additional questions and suggestions please join a mailing list
> > at: http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida .
> >
> > To introduce it a bit: AIDA/Web is a web server and framework for
> > complex web applications with integrated Ajax support, rich
> collection
> > of web components to build web pages programatically, MVC-like
> > separation of presentation from domain, nice looking and
> bookmarkable
> > url links, with integrated session and security management
> and many more.
> >
> > AIDA/Web is known by its simplicity but still allows building most
> > demanding web applications of many sorts. It has everything
> you need
> > for a real web app, together with Ajax.
> >
> > It is also a mature one, running web apps in production
> since 1996. It
> > is used in many intranet business apps from Gas billing
> system for all
> > gas in Slovenia to logistics management system called e-logis and
> > recently a CMS like system for Quality and Business process
> management.
> >
> > I hope therefore that Squeakers will find Aida useful and a good
> > alternative for building your web applications!
> >
> > Best regards
> > Janko
> >
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-dev-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edgar J. De Cleene
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:39 PM
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Subject: Re: [ANN] AIDA/Web app server 5.4 beta released on Squeak
>
>
>
>
> El 6/13/07 5:12 PM, "Janko Mivšek" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
> > No you didn't. I should remove Live image demo, because it is not ported
> > yet. Those so called live (better term could be instant) images are
> > drawn just before they are sent to browser and are fine for things like
> > real-time graphs and similar. But I need to understand Squeak graphics
> > better first ...
> >
> > Best regards
> > JAnko
> Well, you soon have some fans here.
> I spread the good news into students looking for how to do Web with
> Squeak.
> Could the package maintain a open socket a la Comet ?
> A group is currently doing the annual redoing of a turn game (variant of
> risk).
> The base is currently comanche and httpview 2 , the mapped pict via html
> is
> refreshed each 10 seconds.
>
> As they are starting, maybe could set two groups and one use your work as
> base.
>
> I attach pict
>
> Edgar

>
>
> El 6/13/07 5:12 PM, "Janko Mivšek" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
>> No you didn't. I should remove Live image demo, because it is not ported
>> yet. Those so called live (better term could be instant) images are
>> drawn just before they are sent to browser and are fine for things like
>> real-time graphs and similar. But I need to understand Squeak graphics
>> better first ...
>>
>> Best regards
>> JAnko
> Well, you soon have some fans here.
> I spread the good news into students looking for how to do Web with Squeak.
> Could the package maintain a open socket a la Comet ?
> A group is currently doing the annual redoing of a turn game (variant of
> risk).
> The base is currently comanche and httpview 2 , the mapped pict via html is
> refreshed each 10 seconds.
>
> As they are starting, maybe could set two groups and one use your work as
> base.
>
> I attach pict
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

>
> Cédrick
>> Dear Squeakers,
>>
>> I just finished a port of AIDA/Web application server and web
>> framework (http://www.aidaweb.si) to Squeak and a beta is now
>> available on SqueakSource (http://www.squeaksource.com/Aida).
>>
>> You are invited to try Aida, just follow installation instructions at
>> http://www.aidaweb.si/download.html, then start by evaluating
>> SwazooServer demoStart, open http://localhost:8888 and login with
>> username admin, password password.
>>
>> For additional questions and suggestions please join a mailing list
>> at: http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida .
>>
>> To introduce it a bit: AIDA/Web is a web server and framework for
>> complex web applications with integrated Ajax support, rich collection
>> of web components to build web pages programatically, MVC-like
>> separation of presentation from domain, nice looking and bookmarkable
>> url links, with integrated session and security management and many more.
>>
>> AIDA/Web is known by its simplicity but still allows building most
>> demanding web applications of many sorts. It has everything you need
>> for a real web app, together with Ajax.
>>
>> It is also a mature one, running web apps in production since 1996. It
>> is used in many intranet business apps from Gas billing system for all
>> gas in Slovenia to logistics management system called e-logis and
>> recently a CMS like system for Quality and Business process management.
>>
>> I hope therefore that Squeakers will find Aida useful and a good
>> alternative for building your web applications!
>>
>> Best regards
>> Janko
>>
>
>
>

>
>
> El 6/13/07 5:12 PM, "Janko Mivšek" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
>> No you didn't. I should remove Live image demo, because it is not ported
>> yet. Those so called live (better term could be instant) images are
>> drawn just before they are sent to browser and are fine for things like
>> real-time graphs and similar. But I need to understand Squeak graphics
>> better first ...
>>
>> Best regards
>> JAnko
> Well, you soon have some fans here.
> I spread the good news into students looking for how to do Web with Squeak.
> Could the package maintain a open socket a la Comet ?
> A group is currently doing the annual redoing of a turn game (variant of
> risk).
> The base is currently comanche and httpview 2 , the mapped pict via html is
> refreshed each 10 seconds.
>
> As they are starting, maybe could set two groups and one use your work as
> base.
>
> I attach pict
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

> Hi Edgar,
>
> Then maybe you can help me porting live images to Squeak? Just look at
> WebGraph code, it is obvious. It is a subclass of WebLiveImage and there
> is also GifImageStream ...
>
> And if someone can show me hoe anti-aliasing works in Squeak ....
>
> Best regards
> Janko

> Edgar, I missed part of your question
> :
>> Could the package maintain a open socket a la Comet ?
>
> Yes, this is simply done by delaying an Ajax element update until some
> event occurs. And Announcements framework comes to be handy for
> signaling those events.
>
> By the way, a third screenshot at http://www.aidaweb.si/screenshots.html
> shows Comet in action: this is a real-time monitor of business processes
> where a current activity is marked with red square, which moves as soon
> as business process changes.
>
> Best regards
> Janko

>
>> or what AIDA is better for ? In which case would you consider using
>> AIDA or seaside or HV2?
>
> Well, that obviously hard question for me but let me just state, where
> Aida is obviously better:
>
> - navigation with RESTfull urls, fully automatic url management, you
> just point to some domain object to get its url.
> - pure and consistent following of web philosophy
> - strict MVC separation of domain model from presentation
> - scalability to cover increasing complexity of web apps/systems
> - integrated security with user and group management
> - Ajax support is fully integrated, to the point, that it is hardly
> visible and is therefore a natural extension of existing functionality
> to programmer
>
>

> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En
> nombre de Giovanni Corriga
> Enviado el: Jueves, 14 de Junio de 2007 09:39
> Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Asunto: Re: [ANN] AIDA/Web app server 5.4 beta released on Squeak
>
> Il giorno gio, 14/06/2007 alle 13.27 +0200, Lukas Renggli ha scritto:
> > > - Url's not RESTlike
> >
> > The question about REST is more a religion than a technical
> question.
> > Fact is,  Seaside supports RESTful URLs with little
> additional effort
> > from the developer.
>
> While I agree with Lukas that Seaside supports RESTful URLs,
> I'd like to remind everyone that REST is much more than
> having meaningful URLs.
>
> Giovanni
>

> Just for reference extracted from wikipedia:
>
> "...
> REST's proponents argue that the Web enjoyed the scalability and growth that
> it has had as a direct result of a few key design principles:
>     * Application state and functionality are divided into resources
>     * Every resource is uniquely addressable using a universal syntax for
> use in hypermedia links
>     * All resources share a uniform interface for the transfer of state
> between client and resource, consisting of
>           o A constrained set of well-defined operations
>           o A constrained set of content types, optionally supporting
> code-on-demand
>     * A protocol that is:
>           o Client/Server
>           o Stateless
>           o Cacheable
>           o Layered
> ..."
>
> Prioritizing this is a cachemaniac impulsivity assimilated from hardware
> limitations. I like to think that human being thinking (concentration on
> application issues, design, functionality) has a lot more value than an
> anecdotical efficient activation of bits on metal that can scale more easily
> on the unhuman hardware we have today.
>  

> By the way, a third screenshot at http://www.aidaweb.si/screenshots.html
>> shows Comet in action: this is a real-time monitor of business processes
>> where a current activity is marked with red square, which moves as soon
>> as business process changes.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Janko
>
> I just looking all.
>
> Impressive work.
>
> Too bad the students are over loaded and completing a Aida based game could
> take months for they.