[ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007
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Come to the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions in room 201B from 5:30
until 7:00 on Monday Apr 30th. You can meet the GemStone/S team, learn what's new in GS/S-64 2.2, discuss the GemStone port of Seaside and Monticello, and witness the unveiling of an edition of GemStone/S that's free -- even for commercial use. (If you can't attend, you can watch for the announcement in your inbox.) If you're in the Toronto area, you're welcome to drop in even if you're not attending the conference. Dale _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Damn I wish I was there. I hope you'll be at ESUG.
Cheers Philippe 2007/4/28, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]>: > Come to the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions in room 201B from 5:30 > until 7:00 on Monday Apr 30th. > > You can meet the GemStone/S team, learn what's new in GS/S-64 2.2, > discuss the GemStone port of Seaside and Monticello, and witness the > unveiling of an edition of GemStone/S that's free -- even for commercial > use. (If you can't attend, you can watch for the announcement in your > inbox.) > > If you're in the Toronto area, you're welcome to drop in even if you're > not attending the conference. > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> -----Mensaje original-----
I haven't the chance right now but I'm interested to know more about this.
> De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > de Dale Henrichs > Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Abril de 2007 20:57 > Para: [hidden email] > Asunto: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > > Come to the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions in room 201B > from 5:30 until 7:00 on Monday Apr 30th. > > You can meet the GemStone/S team, learn what's new in GS/S-64 > 2.2, discuss the GemStone port of Seaside and Monticello, and > witness the unveiling of an edition of GemStone/S that's free > -- even for commercial use. (If you can't attend, you can > watch for the announcement in your > inbox.) > > If you're in the Toronto area, you're welcome to drop in even > if you're not attending the conference. > > Dale > Perhaps a video that could be later uploaded in Google video or youtube will help the idea to reach who can't be there? Cheers, Sebastian _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Philippe,
In past years we've had at least one person attend ESUG, so I assume that will be the case again this year. Dale Philippe Marschall wrote: > Damn I wish I was there. I hope you'll be at ESUG. > > Cheers > Philippe > > 2007/4/28, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]>: > >> Come to the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions in room 201B from 5:30 >> until 7:00 on Monday Apr 30th. >> >> You can meet the GemStone/S team, learn what's new in GS/S-64 2.2, >> discuss the GemStone port of Seaside and Monticello, and witness the >> unveiling of an edition of GemStone/S that's free -- even for commercial >> use. (If you can't attend, you can watch for the announcement in your >> inbox.) >> >> If you're in the Toronto area, you're welcome to drop in even if you're >> not attending the conference. >> >> Dale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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OK, it's May 1st right now. When do we hear more about this? (for
those folks not in Toronto) Nevin > Come to the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions in room 201B from 5:30 > until 7:00 on Monday Apr 30th. > > You can meet the GemStone/S team, learn what's new in GS/S-64 2.2, > discuss the GemStone port of Seaside and Monticello, and witness the > unveiling of an edition of GemStone/S that's free -- even for commercial > use. (If you can't attend, you can watch for the announcement in your > inbox.) > > If you're in the Toronto area, you're welcome to drop in even if you're > not attending the conference. > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by Dale
GemStone 2.x free edition: 2gb ram limit, 4gb database size, 64 million objects, 2 gems max, no VW or VA connectivity - Squeak only, seaside and monticello built in, fastcgi support, database can be used as monticello repository, free sandbox website for those wanting to play with it hosted by GemStone, that's about it, but I'm sure GemStone will provide more details as well. _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> GemStone 2.x free edition: 2gb ram limit, 4gb database size,
> 64 million objects, 2 gems max, no VW or VA connectivity - > Squeak only, seaside and monticello built in, fastcgi > support, database can be used as monticello repository, free > sandbox website for those wanting to play with it hosted by > GemStone, that's about it, but I'm sure GemStone will provide > more details as well. > > Cheers! > > -Boris > (Sent from a BlackBerry) Right on, Seaside just got really really really cool! Now just tell me where to get it! Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)
Woot!
2007/5/1, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>: > GemStone 2.x free edition: 2gb ram limit, 4gb database size, 64 million > objects, 2 gems max, no VW or VA connectivity - Squeak only, seaside and > monticello built in, fastcgi support, database can be used as monticello > repository, free sandbox website for those wanting to play with it hosted by > GemStone, that's about it, but I'm sure GemStone will provide more details > as well. > > Cheers! > > -Boris > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [hidden email] > <[hidden email]> > To: Seaside - general discussion > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tue May 01 09:01:56 2007 > Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > > OK, it's May 1st right now. When do we hear more about this? (for > those folks not in Toronto) > > Nevin > > > Come to the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions in room 201B from 5:30 > > until 7:00 on Monday Apr 30th. > > > > You can meet the GemStone/S team, learn what's new in GS/S-64 2.2, > > discuss the GemStone port of Seaside and Monticello, and witness the > > unveiling of an edition of GemStone/S that's free -- even for commercial > > use. (If you can't attend, you can watch for the announcement in your > > inbox.) > > > > If you're in the Toronto area, you're welcome to drop in even if you're > > not attending the conference. > > > > Dale > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)
Boris Popov wrote:
GemStone 2.x? That was released in, what, 1987? or 1986? I think GemStone 4.x was out in the early 90's. Are you sure you got that product rev number right? Those stats seem reminiscent of 4.x (but naturally without VW or VA GemBuilder). Why would they do a new Squeak GemBuilder for such an old product? (even if it's a stripped down GemBuilder, which I'm sure it is). Also, a few years ago I had to resurrect a GemStone 4.x system for a consulting gig. It wouldn't even run under Win XP without a lot of hoops being jumped through. One such hoop, if I recall, was the inability to work with the filesystem. And, I don't think Linux was even a gleam in anybody's eye for GemStone 2.x. Maybe I'll await further details, as I'm sure I'm missing something here. Nevin _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I will let you know when I find out myself, I should mention that this version of GemStone is 64 bit only and they have no plans to add continuations to 32 bit version from what I can tell. That also means no running this on windows at the moment, hence the free sandbox provided by GemStone. Check out seaside.GemStone.com too while you're at it ;) _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Yes, that's because its GemStone 64 bit version, not 32 bit one. Latest and greatest as they say, not to worry :) _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Ah, good to hear! I knew I must be missing something, because
otherwise the announcement didn't make sense.
Nevin
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In reply to this post by Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs (SNN)
2007/5/1, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > > > I will let you know when I find out myself, I should mention that this > version of GemStone is 64 bit only and they have no plans to add > continuations to 32 bit version from what I can tell. That also means no > running this on windows at the moment, hence the free sandbox provided by > GemStone. Check out seaside.GemStone.com too while you're at it ;) Error 500 for both all tests and Sushi Store :( http://www.squeaksource.com/GemStone.html > Cheers! > > -Boris > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [hidden email] > <[hidden email]> > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tue May 01 09:23:36 2007 > Subject: RE: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > > > GemStone 2.x free edition: 2gb ram limit, 4gb database size, > > 64 million objects, 2 gems max, no VW or VA connectivity - > > Squeak only, seaside and monticello built in, fastcgi > > support, database can be used as monticello repository, free > > sandbox website for those wanting to play with it hosted by > > GemStone, that's about it, but I'm sure GemStone will provide > > more details as well. > > > > Cheers! > > > > -Boris > > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > Right on, Seaside just got really really really cool! Now just tell me > where to get it! > > Ramon Leon > http://onsmalltalk.com > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Just talked to them about it, but they don't have access from here to fix it, hang tight, althouth I suspect its a sushi store and all tests that come with 2.6.x, _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Murphy strikes again!
2007/5/1, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>: > > > > Just talked to them about it, but they don't have access from here to fix > it, hang tight, althouth I suspect its a sushi store and all tests that come > with 2.6.x, > > Cheers! > > -Boris > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [hidden email] > <[hidden email]> > To: Seaside - general discussion > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tue May 01 10:15:04 2007 > Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > > 2007/5/1, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > I will let you know when I find out myself, I should mention that this > > version of GemStone is 64 bit only and they have no plans to add > > continuations to 32 bit version from what I can tell. That also means no > > running this on windows at the moment, hence the free sandbox provided by > > GemStone. Check out seaside.GemStone.com too while you're at it ;) > > Error 500 for both all tests and Sushi Store :( > http://www.squeaksource.com/GemStone.html > > > Cheers! > > > > -Boris > > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [hidden email] > > <[hidden email]> > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Tue May 01 09:23:36 2007 > > Subject: RE: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > > > > > GemStone 2.x free edition: 2gb ram limit, 4gb database size, > > > 64 million objects, 2 gems max, no VW or VA connectivity - > > > Squeak only, seaside and monticello built in, fastcgi > > > support, database can be used as monticello repository, free > > > sandbox website for those wanting to play with it hosted by > > > GemStone, that's about it, but I'm sure GemStone will provide > > > more details as well. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > -Boris > > > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > > > Right on, Seaside just got really really really cool! Now just tell me > > where to get it! > > > > Ramon Leon > > http://onsmalltalk.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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One slight correction: The RAM limit is 1-GB for the shared page cache.
The goal here is to match Oracle, Microsoft SQL Server, and other database vendors that have chosen 1-CPU, 1-GB RAM, and 4-GB disk as the limits for their free editions. (Note that these limits are what the database will use, not a minimum or maximum for your hardware). The goal here is to provide something that is much more than a toy, but will eventually move some users to a paid license if they need more resources. As noted by others, the product is "GemStone/S 64 Bit version 2.2", which is distinct from the 32-bit product (currently on version 6.1.x). Version 2.2.0 of the 64-bit product is where most of the recent engineering work has been done (including continuations) and it shipped to existing customers last week. The 64-bit product runs only on Unix/Linux (the free edition is limited to Linux). The free edition delivers the same executables, but because of the license limitations some features will be less evident (such as multi-threading on a single CPU). It is very unlikely that the Seaside functionality will be ported back to the 32-bit product. Those that do not have a 64-bit Linux machine (yet!) will be encouraged to play in the hosted sandbox. In addition, there are no plans to port the 64-bit product to Microsoft Windows. Windows users are encouraged to investigate some sort of virtualization to run Linux on their Windows machine. The announced "general availability" for the free version is for Q3, but those interested in a beta version should write to [hidden email]. Much of what remains to be done is logistics surrounding download, license key generation, and additional functionality of the Squeak-based tools and interface. James Foster QA Lead GemStone Systems, Inc. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > From: "Boris Popov" <[hidden email]> > Date: Tue, May 01, 2007 9:16 am > To: <[hidden email]> > > GemStone 2.x free edition: 2gb ram limit, 4gb database size, 64 > million objects, 2 gems max, no VW or VA connectivity - Squeak only, > seaside and monticello built in, fastcgi support, database can be used > as monticello repository, free sandbox website for those wanting to > play with it hosted by GemStone, that's about it, but I'm sure > GemStone will provide more details as well. > > Cheers! > > -Boris > (Sent from a BlackBerry) _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Thanks for quick correction James, _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Yes, we are having some difficulties with the site... The immediate
cause of Monday night's crash was that we left the "debug" button on the error test page (which someone tried!) so the Smalltalk server was sitting in a debugger. Getting developer access to the image is complicated by the fact that it can only be accessed from machines inside the company firewall and we are in Toronto. We should have things ironed out over the next few days. Thanks for your patience and interest. James Foster > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Seaside] [ANN] GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007 > From: "Philippe Marschall" <[hidden email]> > Date: Tue, May 01, 2007 10:36 am > To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> > > Murphy strikes again! _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Here's the announcement made at the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions 2007. I added GemStone specific terminology in parentheses to make it clearer to those of you already using GemStone. It was a great BOF, wish you all could have been there. -- Monty Seaside under GLASS Introducing a powerful new way to deploy desktop-like web applications -- GLASS: GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk. You may already be familiar with the advantages Seaside has over Ruby on Rails. But you may be concerned that Seaside lacks native persistence or won't scale. By running your Seaside application in GemStone, you'll gain a Smalltalk based Application Server and OODB that:
GemStone/S is proven technology currently deployed in numerous global 2000 companies in the financial, container shipping, manufacturing, and utilities sectors. Here is a comparison of several 64-bit editions of GemStone/S that will be available in Q3 of 2007:
Other configurations between GemStone/S LE and the full version of GemStone/S are available through subscription or perpetual licenses. Contact <A title=mailto:sales@gemstone.com href="blocked::mailto:sales@gemstone.com">sales@... for inquiries._______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Can you clarify the Max Server Processes limitation? Is this about
how many Smalltalk clients can connect to the server, or does it also apply to web clients? Avi On 5/1/07, Monty Williams <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > Here's the announcement made at the GemStone BOF at Smalltalk Solutions > 2007. I added GemStone specific terminology in parentheses to make it > clearer to those of you already using GemStone. It was a great BOF, wish you > all could have been there. > > -- Monty > > Seaside under GLASS > > > > Introducing a powerful new way to deploy desktop-like web applications -- > GLASS: GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk. > > > > You may already be familiar with the advantages Seaside has over Ruby on > Rails. But you may be concerned that Seaside lacks native persistence or > won't scale. > > > > By running your Seaside application in GemStone, you'll gain a Smalltalk > based Application Server and OODB that: > > > > > > Provides fully transparent persistence that doesn't require > Object-Relational Mapping > > > > > Scales to over a hundred billion objects and thousands of simultaneous > connections > > > > > Supports fully ACID transactions to handle concurrency conflicts > > > > > Handles up to 150 HTTP requests per second > > > > > Directly loads Monticello packages into a GemStone VM > > > > > > > > GemStone/S is proven technology currently deployed in numerous global 2000 > companies in the financial, container shipping, manufacturing, and utilities > sectors. > > > > Here is a comparison of several 64-bit editions of GemStone/S that will be > available in Q3 of 2007: > > > > > > > GemStone/S Web Edition > > GemStone/S LE > > GemStone/S > > > Price > > Free! > > $7000/year > > Call > > > Number of objects > > 64 million > > 256 million > > 138 billion > > > CPUs Used > > 1 > > 2 > > unlimited > > > Max RAM > (Shared Page Cache Size) > > 1 GB > > 2 GB > > 32768 GB > > > Max Disk (Repository Size) > > 4 GB > > 64 GB > > 8192 TeraBytes > > > Max Server Processes (Concurrent Sessions) > > 2 > > 10 > > 10,000 > > > Clustered Servers > (Remote Gems) > > no > > no > > yes > > > Linux > > yes > > yes > > yes > > > Solaris, AIX, HP-UX > > no > > no > > yes > > > VisualWorks Clients > > no > > yes > > yes > > > VA Smalltalk Clients > > no > > yes > > yes > > > Web Clients > > yes > > yes > > yes > > > Squeak Tools > > yes > > yes > > yes > > > Support > > Community > > 20 hours/year > > Std 9x5 or or 24x7 > > > > Other configurations between GemStone/S LE and the full version of > GemStone/S are available through subscription or perpetual licenses. Contact > [hidden email] for inquiries. > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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