[ANN] SqueakLight status

People what think Spoon is too small and Squeak 3.9 is too big.

Enero (January) is at end, Summer is very nice here and as part of students
training all this days we "discover" many things, have a lot of fun and
continue finding classes and methods what SqueakLight need.

When this happen, we take the code of Squeak 3.9a6705.

The current version is SqueakLight3.7.4.zip and is on my ftp and in
http://www.4shared.com/file/715982/6db2fc3d/SqueakLight374.html , just in
case you have troubles.

The current fixes is 3.7.1 fixes.6.cs
Also in my ftp and in
http://www.4shared.com/file/757451/16442ed2/371_fixes6.html

If you wish keep update, download, go to change sorter and clear the
previous fixes and fileIn the new.

ftp://[hidden email]/
password: elpelotero

And if really wish know what could do feeding it.

http://200-122-104-133.cab.prima.net.ar:8888 (Swikis)

Ani swiki is keeping for now the SqueakLight development news.
Now what I figure how set up and run an AniAniWeb , again say MUCHAS GRACIAS
to Jeff by veeeery cool work.



http://200-122-104-133.cab.prima.net.ar:9000/seaside/blog/SummerTeam/
http://200-122-104-133.cab.prima.net.ar:9000/seaside/blog/SqueakLightChronil
es /
http://200-122-104-133.cab.prima.net.ar:8085 "ServerInfo, form here you culd
see what is running and try"

All running in SqueakLight, open to who care.

>From 09:00 to 23:00 GMT  (aproximate)

http://wiki.gnulinex.org/squeakros (hosting provided by good people in
Spain)

And maybe the 470.000 Euros do what follow my old advice.

Find a Spanish speaking kid near to you and exchange Squeak learning for
Spanish learning and both, you and the kid start to have a bigger world.

Edgar





       

       
               
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Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene a écrit :
Just in time :) I had trouble with the URL you provided in your previous
email.

Hilaire

Hilaire Fernandes puso en su mail :

> Just in time :) I had trouble with the URL you provided in your previous
> email.
>
> Hilaire
>
Fail the ftp ?
The Mac run from when I wake up to dinner time (about 09:00 to 23:00 GMT).
But also could be blackouts or other troubles here.

For all experiments running , well this are "experiments", and something
could do not work.

I wish know what the trouble was and also if you try something on
SqueakLight and do not work.

Remember what this is a hand cut image.

The last fixes .cs was just for running the Tables example sended today and
a couple of this week resolved fixes.

Thanks !!!


Edgar



       

       
               
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Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene a écrit :
Yes, it is.

> The Mac run from when I wake up to dinner time (about 09:00 to 23:00 GMT).
> But also could be blackouts or other troubles here.

>
> For all experiments running , well this are "experiments", and something
> could do not work.

Sure

> I wish know what the trouble was and also if you try something on
> SqueakLight and do not work.

Yes, I installed a DrGeoII Monticello package (demo at
http://people.ofset.org/hilaire/drgeo2/demo/1-triangle/), it went just
fine.
However I fail to run DrGeoII because it uses a Flaps based user
interface which appear to not be present in SqueakLight.

I will have to figure out a different DrGeoII user interface to get it
work with SqueakLight (maybe proposing an alternate menu driven solution).

Keep the good work!

Hilaire Fernandes

Hilaire Fernandes puso en su mail :

> However I fail to run DrGeoII because it uses a Flaps based user
> interface which appear to not be present in SqueakLight.
>
> I will have to figure out a different DrGeoII user interface to get it
> work with SqueakLight (maybe proposing an alternate menu driven solution).
>
> Keep the good work!
I look for DrGeoII and find a solution.

Goal of SqueakLight.

Try to find the hard way what the real minimal Morphic .image was.
Develop a system for loading what he needs from any past or current (to
6705).

Try to have more closer to Smalltalk (that's why no Etoys,no Traits, no
Flash, etc, following Juan Vuletich idea).

Try to figure out a way, inspired in current .morph and .pr exporting what
not always work, for no matter what image originate the object (at morph
level ) always you could load into SqueakLight.

Off course, have the small size what worth, so it could run in handicapped
hardware as most Argentina (and other poor countries)  school have.

The day after a Flaps.xxx.mcz shows in any package repository know by me ,
in a few days you have it on SqueakLight.

In the waiting, think in a Parts bin as repository , that's how I change the
LogicCircus from original with flaps for run in small images without.

Keep in touch

Edgar



       

       
               
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Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene a écrit :


> Off course, have the small size what worth, so it could run in handicapped
> hardware as most Argentina (and other poor countries)  school have.

I am curious what is your average hardware (CPU and RAM)?

> The day after a Flaps.xxx.mcz shows in any package repository know by me ,
> in a few days you have it on SqueakLight.
>
> In the waiting, think in a Parts bin as repository , that's how I change the
> LogicCircus from original with flaps for run in small images without.

I thought about Parts bin but it is not compatible with the interaction
model within DrGeoII: with Parts bin you are taking a part and move it
in the drawable but instead in DrGeoII you interactively build the part
in the drawable (for example to design an arc you select (or create
on-fly) three points one after the other one)


Hilaire

Hilaire Fernandes puso en su mail :

> I am curious what is your average hardware (CPU and RAM)?
Very, very hard to tell.
Richer Provincias (States) and better ruled could have something between a
Pentium I to Pentium III range , many schools do not have any computer.

And I can't imagine how could the situation is on those where kids literally
are starving to death.
Each year have two o three cases , central government do much noise and
nothing useful.

Santa Fe (mine) is a oasis where we have what could say a better government
and Rosario is the only mayor city with Socialist (no Peronistas) on board.

And 20 years of this shows a big difference.

> I thought about Parts bin but it is not compatible with the interaction
> model within DrGeoII: with Parts bin you are taking a part and move it
> in the drawable but instead in DrGeoII you interactively build the part
> in the drawable (for example to design an arc you select (or create
> on-fly) three points one after the other one)

Not having code for try , I can't say.
>From beautiful pictures on your site I don't sure if you can't do otherwise.

Edgar



       

       
               
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Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene a écrit :
> Hilaire Fernandes puso en su mail :
>
>
>>I am curious what is your average hardware (CPU and RAM)?
>
> Very, very hard to tell.
> Richer Provincias (States) and better ruled could have something between a
> Pentium I to Pentium III range , many schools do not have any computer.

It is a bit off topic, but at OFSET we have developped, based on
knoppix, freeduc-cd for schools, it is live-cd you can installl and used
on 5-7 years old computers like  Celeron300Mhz class with 64-96Mb of Ram.
Check http://www.ofset.org/freeduc-cd and
http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Freeduc-cd_how_to for installation.
It includes Squeak.

Hilaire

Hi!

I tried SqueakLight. It looks nice.
Some bugs I found after few minutes of try:
        - Double click on the bin and you get an exception
        - If I click on the book, bottom right, I got a file browser. Once I  
selected a folder, I got an exception
        - If I try to move the tool bar, I got a lot of exception.

I've got few questions:
        - Why do you want to deal with changesets ? Why not Monticello ?
        - It seems SqueakLight is based on a 3.7. Why not a 3.9 ?
        - I feel that "SqueakLight" is not really a sexy name... For someone  
that does not know squeak at all, "SqueakLight" looks strange, IMHO.

Regards,
Alexandre


Am Jan 28, 2006 um 11:24 AM schrieb Lic. Edgar J. De Cleene:

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Hilaire Fernandes puso en su mail :

> It is a bit off topic, but at OFSET we have developped, based on
> knoppix, freeduc-cd for schools, it is live-cd you can installl and used
> on 5-7 years old computers like  Celeron300Mhz class with 64-96Mb of Ram.
> Check http://www.ofset.org/freeduc-cd and
> http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Freeduc-cd_how_to for installation.
> It includes Squeak.
>
> Hilaire
I very , very appreciate this , and spread the word.

Still another problem is primary schools do not have computer trained
personal.

I try to download the CD and begin a campaign to found some school what let
we help.

A just cause for Advocatus Diaboli.

I keep you informed

Edgar



       

       
               
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Alexandre Bergel puso en su mail :
Alexandre , I very thanks you for your feedback.

For all bugs, if you have a .gif and a SqueakDebug.log, send to me and I
could fix.
>> - Double click on the bin and you get an exception
What bin ?
>> - If I click on the book, bottom right, I got a file browser. Once I
>> selected a folder, I got an exception

I suppose you don't have a SqueakBooks with your own saved "MiStack".
Could grave what it's on my ftp for having something to look and play.
This part is in progress to (a help system with a Squeak resident private
and a web access public)
I guess you have a empty collection complain
> - If I try to move the tool bar, I got a lot of exception.
I check this, The button bar on bottom should stay in bottom and do not
should move. Also you could have the common tools by click in the World.

> - Why do you want to deal with changesets ? Why not Monticello ?
The fact is the baby have Monticelllo and friends like 3.9.
Understand this, .cs (old way, and you are right) and "emporwements", code
compress .sqz what extend SqueakLight

> - I feel that "SqueakLight" is not really a sexy name... For someone
> that does not know squeak at all, "SqueakLight" looks strange, IMHO.

Why you don't like that name ? You don't have the markets full of products
whit the Light label in Swizerland ?:=)
I wish know how you wish this was called.


> It seems SqueakLight is based on a 3.7. Why not a 3.9 ?
SqueakLight have three authors or people what work on 3.7 shrink.
Owns a lot to Pavel Krivanek and his Small image and to Steven Swerling and
his QuiteSmall image.
And to my old team partners Dan, Ned and Juan (between others)
At this moment could load any normal code produced by 3.8 or 3.9 (until
6705)
And have a couple of years behind ,a 3.4 start history.

What it's my goal.
A small practical morphic only, could reduced to about 3.6 mb and grown to
3.9 when completed the "emporwements"
For starters, is better deal with a reduced class set.
And could run in more handicapped harwdware.
And for people what wish pack finished apps, let you do the development on
full version, save your .mcz, load on SqueakLight and deliver a app in less
of 5mb if you know the bussiness.

I have all my experiments running in souped SqueakLight and a
SqueakLightServer in 4.5 mb.

Again , very thanks for your time, and try to fix all.

Edgar






       

       
               
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