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Edgar J. De Cleene

[FIX] MinimalIImage do not working on Mac VM Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

Avi Bryant puso en su mail :

> For some reason, on a MacBook Pro, the prebuilt image only works with
> a unix VM - the Carbon VM never shows a window for it.
>
> Avi
John M McIntosh puso en su mail :

> I'll note the mac vm does not show the window until the first
> primitiveShowHostWindowRect is made..

As I said in previous work, I saw this problem before.
And a user of SqueakLight complaint for "phantom" desk patter

I attach my cure for SqueakLight and , believe or not, seems cure also the
Mac VM start problem for Pavel image.

Slow dirty solution
1) Start the image in Unix Vm
2) Install the change set, change name as necessary, save the image
3) Start the image in Mac VM

Seems work for me, some could confirm ?

Edgar

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Brian Brown-2

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

In reply to this post by Pavel Krivanek

Yes,
I am using the image Squeak3.9g-7061-basicMorphic.zip and I was
following the procedure on the website, and executed the following in
a Workspace:

#('Compression-pk.10.mcz'
'Network-pk.41.mcz'
'PackageInfo-al.6.mcz'
'Monticello-pk.309.mcz') do: [:packageName |
((MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/
KernelImage' user: '' password: '')
loadVersionFromFileNamed: packageName) load ]

The install never reached the monticello package, but fails on the
PackageInfo-al.6

Brian

On Nov 7, 2006, at 2:05 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> can you describe your procedure more closely? BTW., monticello package
> includes PackageInfo too, it's a mistake that should be removed in
> next version.
>
> -- Pavel
>
> On 11/7/06, Brian Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > here - http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98 - you can download special
>> > package for the KernelImage that includes basic Morphic without
>> eToys.
>> > Prepared image is included too (6.8 MB). This image has no
>> > obsoleteClasses and Undeclared.
>> >
>> > enjoy...
>> >
>> > -- Pavel
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hey Pavel, thanks alot for this work :)
>>
>> I was following instructions on the page you reference and I get a
>> failure trying to load 'PackageInfo-al.6.mcz'; Message Not
>> Understood: PackageOrganizer>>packageNamed:ifAbsent:
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>

Andreas.Raab

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

In reply to this post by Pavel Krivanek

Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> do you know what class does similar behavior in the official image?
> This should probably be part of startUp code of some class.

Yes. To find out who sends it I did a little hack which would dump the
call stack to a file when calling World>>install and it turns out we're
calling it three times in a regular startup sequence:
1) Via AutoStart>>checkForUpdates
2) Via AutoStart>>checkForPluginUpdates
3) Via ProjectLauncher>>startUp.
The Right Thing (tm) to do is probably to add PasteUpMorph to the
startup list and have it handle the initialization of Morphic.

Cheers,
- Andreas

Edgar J. De Cleene

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

Andreas Raab puso en su mail :

> Yes. To find out who sends it I did a little hack which would dump the
> call stack to a file when calling World>>install and it turns out we're
> calling it three times in a regular startup sequence:
> 1) Via AutoStart>>checkForUpdates
> 2) Via AutoStart>>checkForPluginUpdates
> 3) Via ProjectLauncher>>startUp.
> The Right Thing (tm) to do is probably to add PasteUpMorph to the
> startup list and have it handle the initialization of Morphic.
>
> Cheers,
> - Andreas

Smalltalk addToStartUpList: PasteUpMorph cure the trouble.
Forget my previous mail

Edgar

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johnmci

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

The Sophie team lately had a bit of fun with this, you see we used
CPlatform to resolve which platform the image is on at startup time
then of course there is platform specific code that runs, say to find
out the directory structure (ie where is the temp directory), what
the specialized quicktime FFI is by platform, etc. Perhaps a call
like CPlatform current tempDirectoryURL

Now when CPlatform runs *after* PasteUpMorph then you find that
PasteUpMorph triggers a draw event which perculates down and say then
tries to load the freetype fonts for the macintosh, when it fact the
image is starting up on a windows machine, because of course
CPlatform startup hasn't run yet and that saved image on the mac is
rather confused when started on windows.

Thus when using addToStartUpList: beware of what you wish for.

On 7-Nov-06, at 2:59 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:

> Andreas Raab puso en su mail :
>
>> Yes. To find out who sends it I did a little hack which would dump
>> the
>> call stack to a file when calling World>>install and it turns out
>> we're
>> calling it three times in a regular startup sequence:
>> 1) Via AutoStart>>checkForUpdates
>> 2) Via AutoStart>>checkForPluginUpdates
>> 3) Via ProjectLauncher>>startUp.
>> The Right Thing (tm) to do is probably to add PasteUpMorph to the
>> startup list and have it handle the initialization of Morphic.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Andreas
>
> Smalltalk addToStartUpList: PasteUpMorph cure the trouble.
> Forget my previous mail
>
> Edgar
>
>
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Pavel Krivanek

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

In reply to this post by Andreas.Raab

On 11/7/06, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> > do you know what class does similar behavior in the official image?
> > This should probably be part of startUp code of some class.
>
> Yes. To find out who sends it I did a little hack which would dump the
> call stack to a file when calling World>>install and it turns out we're
> calling it three times in a regular startup sequence:
> 1) Via AutoStart>>checkForUpdates
> 2) Via AutoStart>>checkForPluginUpdates
> 3) Via ProjectLauncher>>startUp.
> The Right Thing (tm) to do is probably to add PasteUpMorph to the
> startup list and have it handle the initialization of Morphic.
>
> Cheers,
> - Andreas

Thank you Andreas,

"AutoStart initialize" solves it.

StartUp of this class is disabled in the KernelImage. Your information
will help us with the soulution of drawing problems of the KernelImage
on Mac.

-- Pavel

Pavel Krivanek

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

In reply to this post by Brian Brown-2

Hi Brian,

this script and packages are intended for the KernelImage so you are
using the wrong image.

-- Pavel

On 11/7/06, Brian Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes,
> I am using the image Squeak3.9g-7061-basicMorphic.zip and I was
> following the procedure on the website, and executed the following in
> a Workspace:
>
>
> #('Compression-pk.10.mcz'
> 'Network-pk.41.mcz'
> 'PackageInfo-al.6.mcz'
> 'Monticello-pk.309.mcz') do: [:packageName |
> ((MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/
> KernelImage' user: '' password: '')
> loadVersionFromFileNamed: packageName) load ]
>
>
> The install never reached the monticello package, but fails on the
> PackageInfo-al.6
>
>
> Brian
>
> On Nov 7, 2006, at 2:05 AM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > can you describe your procedure more closely? BTW., monticello package
> > includes PackageInfo too, it's a mistake that should be removed in
> > next version.
> >
> > -- Pavel
> >
> > On 11/7/06, Brian Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Nov 6, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > here - http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/98 - you can download special
> >> > package for the KernelImage that includes basic Morphic without
> >> eToys.
> >> > Prepared image is included too (6.8 MB). This image has no
> >> > obsoleteClasses and Undeclared.
> >> >
> >> > enjoy...
> >> >
> >> > -- Pavel
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Pavel, thanks alot for this work :)
> >>
> >> I was following instructions on the page you reference and I get a
> >> failure trying to load 'PackageInfo-al.6.mcz'; Message Not
> >> Understood: PackageOrganizer>>packageNamed:ifAbsent:
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

Ken Causey-3

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

In reply to this post by Edgar J. De Cleene

I checked with Pavel and based on his recommendations I have added two
categories to the Squeak Packages project on http://bugs.impara.de/ .
MinimalMorphic and KernelImage.

Ken

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Edgar J. De Cleene

Re: [ANN] basic Morphic package for the KernelImage

Ken Causey puso en su mail :

> I checked with Pavel and based on his recommendations I have added two
> categories to the Squeak Packages project on http://bugs.impara.de/ .
> MinimalMorphic and KernelImage.
>
> Ken
Ok , I put all there.

Two until now, the preferences one and restoring missed methods for
MCVersionReader.

The Morphic list seems dead and I have suggestions for slowly changes what
hope in a future end in Etoys / Nebraska proper reload.

Edgar

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J J-6

Package universes

In reply to this post by Pavel Krivanek

I just got through reading the package universes stuff on the wiki and it
looks very nice. Why is this not used? It would take a little time to set
it up initially, but once it's done it seems like it would make everything
easier.

It would be good to have a seaside universe, for example, instead of having
to do all the downloads like now (i.e. get pier so it pulls everything, then
go to monicello and upgrade every package by hand).

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Edgar J. De Cleene

Re: Package universes

J J puso en su mail :

> Why is this not used?
Because people just choose ignore this super job of Lex.

He eventually got tired, take a vacation of this list, and now we have he
again.

This time , read any what he post and follow.

Edgar

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Lex Spoon

Re: Package universes

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"J J" <[hidden email]> writes:
> I just got through reading the package universes stuff on the wiki and
> it looks very nice. Why is this not used? It would take a little
> time to set it up initially, but once it's done it seems like it would
> make everything easier.

The main requirement is some sort of editing staff to update the
entries. Someone has to do the work of putting packages on the list
that work and, in principle, eventually taking off ones that do not
work any longer.

We can imagine various setups for the editing staff. How it works now
is that anyone may edit, but the first person who edits a package name
comes to be the "maintainer" for that package entry. Only the
maintainer may post later updates to that entry. (I can reassign
maintainers whenever that becomes an issue.)

Ideally, the maintainer of a package also puts an entry in the main
Squeak universe of the day. However, anyone can post entries, just
like on a wiki. Info on how to do it is on the main Squeak wiki.

http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3785

-Lex