About 512 MB changes patch

Hi Tony--

> I'd love to follow your ongoing work on Spoon more closely. How are
> you structuring it?

     It's structured as in the latest release[1], as a master image with
development tools and a slave image which is minimal.

> Could your intermediate "snapshot" work-in-progress builds be made
> available to the public somehow?

     It's difficult because of the very problem I'm trying to solve
(modularity). My master image has several other of my projects in it,
not all of which are appropriate for public consumption. Creating an
appropriate snapshot is currently time-consuming. Once I have
bootstrapped Spoon's module system, I plan to keep all snapshots
publicly available all the time.

     As I mentioned in my most recent progress report, I plan to make a
release soon, despite the burden.


     thanks,

-C

[1] http://ftp.squeak.org/Spoon/spoon1a12.zip

--
Craig Latta
http://netjam.org/resume

Am 04.10.2006 um 16:48 schrieb SmallSqueak:

>     In other words, Yet Another Race Against Deadline ?

Choosing the battle field is a major advance towards winning. So it's  
not really a race, because we choose to only make the minimally  
necessary adjustments to get something going.

>     It's just the place to dump all the garbages hidden underneath  
> eToys???

Maybe you missed the point about OLPC. It's not a project to clean up  
Squeak, but to empower children. We are glad to have Etoys and are  
able to fit it into the OLPC environment in a relatively short time  
frame.

>     P.S: BTW, does this OLPC eToys use Tweak?

No. It uses the well-tested Squeakland release with minor changes in  
appearance.

- Bert -

Don't feed the troll.

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Bert Freudenberg wrote:

Hi Craig,
 
        Yes, I agree.

        I think Pavel current work with his KernelImage is more
        than just a backbox shrinking.

        I think he recorded his journey and reported back to the captains
        to steer the ship towards a true kernel image.

        Hopefully the captains are not steering in the opposite directions
;-)

>      In general, I think "stripping" is a losing strategy.

        I agree here too and I am not very comfortable at the thought
        of shrinking my image and being a stripper ;-)


> There's only one strip that matters for making a basis artifact,
> and that's the one that gets to an absolutely minimal core.

        You mean something like the KeyHole image ;-)

> I hope no one has to do it again after I'm done.

        I see Pavel's work and your work can be complimentary.

        I think Spoon is basically GIGO, and specifically SISO
        (Spaghetty In, Spaghetty Out ;-) no AI yet, right?

        I am quite anxious to see this happen.
 

> -C
>
> p.s.
>
>      I'm on the verge of another milestone: I have successfully removed
> all references to SystemDictionary and its sole instance from the
> minimal object memory, and my remote browsing tools work without
> referring to them as well. I'm about to remove them.
>

        Good to hear.
 

> --
> Craig Latta
> http://netjam.org/resume
>

        Cheers,

        PhiHo

SmallSqueak puso en su mail :

> I think Pavel current work with his KernelImage is more
> than just a backbox shrinking.

If you wish do something, you need more what a almost without classes image.
Pavel is listening, as the last report he add the long claim for Network and
Gzip into "our" (as he like call) kernel.

Edgar



       
       
               
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Hi PhiHo--

> > There's only one strip that matters for making a basis artifact,
> > and that's the one that gets to an absolutely minimal core.
>
> You mean something like the KeyHole image ;-)

     Where's that?

> I think Spoon is basically GIGO, and specifically SISO (Spaghetti In,
> Spaghetti Out ;-) no AI yet, right?

     No, Spoon involves a human operator making a bunch of decisions
about what to remove, and refactoring what remains.


-C

--
Craig Latta
http://netjam.org/resume

Hi Bert,

    Thanks for taking the time to respond.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: YARAD (Re: About 512 MB changes patch)


    When I heard about eToys going to be shipped with first batch
    of machines from OLPC project I cannot help not to think back
    what Alan and Dan said about eToys.

    My impression was that neither of them are happy with eToys.

    IIRC, even Andreas was not happy at all and he was a vocal
    critic of morphic on which eToys was built. hence Tweak.

>
> - Bert -
>
>

    Cheers,

    PhiHo

Hi Craig,

>
>> > There's only one strip that matters for making a basis artifact,
>> > and that's the one that gets to an absolutely minimal core.
>>
>> You mean something like the KeyHole image ;-)
>
>     Where's that?
>

    I only had the specs, and it was many many moons ago ;-)

>> I think Spoon is basically GIGO, and specifically SISO (Spaghetti In,
>> Spaghetti Out ;-) no AI yet, right?
>
>     No, Spoon involves a human operator making a bunch of decisions
> about what to remove, and refactoring what remains.
>
>

    Thanks for clarifying my misconception.

    Please keep up with the good work and am looking foward
    to use Strong Spoon to learn Smalltalk ;-)

> --
> Craig Latta
> http://netjam.org/resume
>

    Cheers,

    PhiHo