About insulting developers (Was: Re: [Vm-dev] VM Maker: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz)

>
> On 5/17/2011 9:27, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>
>> On 16 May 2011 17:16, Andreas Raab<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2011 12:34, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Igor Stasenko uploaded a new version of CMakeVMMaker to project VM
>>>> Maker:
>>>> http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker/CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz
>>>>
>>>> ==================== Summary ====================
>>>>
>>>> Name: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104
>>>> Author: StasenkoIgor
>>>> Time: 16 May 2011, 10:33:56 am
>>>> UUID: 68959e6f-18b1-304c-a3de-2b84a1f2c93b
>>>> Ancestors: CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.103
>>>>
>>>> workaround the MultiByteCrapStream, which converting line endings twice
>>>> on
>>>> windows.
>>>>
>>> Do us all a favor and leave out these derogatory comments. They are *not*
>>> helpful.
>>>
>> :)
>> Well, i can't resist putting it like that, because i lost like 1 hour
>> trying to understand why it was broken again.
>
> I understand what you mean but the thing you need to learn is that there's a
> big difference between a muttered curse and a public comment. A check-in
> comment that is being reposted in archived mailing lists is something that
> people read. Treating your fellow developers without respect is a great way
> of ensuring difficult relationships in the future. Nobody likes being called
> names, or derogatory comments about their code, not you, not me, not anyone.
> There is no reason to call MultiByteFileStream MultiByteCrapStream other
> than an intentional insult to the original author(s). Insulting people in a
> public forum is a great way to destroy relationships. Just ask your boss.
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:vm-dev-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:30 AM
> To: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion
> Subject: About insulting developers (Was: Re: [Vm-dev] VM Maker:
> CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz)
>
>
> On 17 May 2011 10:00, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/17/2011 9:27, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> >>
> >> On 16 May 2011 17:16, Andreas Raab<[hidden email]>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 5/16/2011 12:34, [hidden email]
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Igor Stasenko uploaded a new version of CMakeVMMaker to project
> VM
> >>>> Maker:
> >>>> http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker/CMakeVMMaker-
> StasenkoIgor.104.m
> >>>> cz
> >>>>
> >>>> ==================== Summary ====================
> >>>>
> >>>> Name: CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104
> >>>> Author: StasenkoIgor
> >>>> Time: 16 May 2011, 10:33:56 am
> >>>> UUID: 68959e6f-18b1-304c-a3de-2b84a1f2c93b
> >>>> Ancestors: CMakeVMMaker-IgorStasenko.103
> >>>>
> >>>> workaround the MultiByteCrapStream, which converting line endings
> >>>> twice on windows.
> >>>>
> >>> Do us all a favor and leave out these derogatory comments. They are
> >>> *not* helpful.
> >>>
> >> :)
> >> Well, i can't resist putting it like that, because i lost like 1 hour
> >> trying to understand why it was broken again.
> >
> > I understand what you mean but the thing you need to learn is that
> > there's a big difference between a muttered curse and a public
> > comment. A check-in comment that is being reposted in archived mailing
> > lists is something that people read. Treating your fellow developers
> > without respect is a great way of ensuring difficult relationships in
> > the future. Nobody likes being called names, or derogatory comments
> about their code, not you, not me, not anyone.
> > There is no reason to call MultiByteFileStream MultiByteCrapStream
> > other than an intentional insult to the original author(s). Insulting
> > people in a public forum is a great way to destroy relationships. Just ask
> your boss.
> >
>
> I disagree.
> I do respect the people's energy which they spent implementing all this stuff,
> because apparently i'm using it every day and it works (most of the times ;).
>
> Such strong wording was to point on problem & amount of pain i had with it,
> but again, nothing to do with my attitude towards author(s) who
> implemented it.
> I separating these things and i hope others too.
>
> It was i, who were insulted, offended and lost time dealing with this code. So
> why i can't express myself appropriately to situation? :)
>
> Because i tend to say and hear truth about the quality of code (including my
> own , of course).
> Seriously, why we should fear to offend someone by calling a crap what is
> crap?
>
> If next day, someone would call my code crap, my first reaction will be to ask
> - why, where and how to improve that. But not to put that person in black
> list.
> Because i value criticism. It helps you to get higher, above your own limits :)
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:vm-dev-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:59 AM
> To: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion
> Subject: Re: About insulting developers (Was: Re: [Vm-dev] VM Maker:
> CMakeVMMaker-StasenkoIgor.104.mcz)
>
>
> On 17 May 2011 13:26, Ron Teitelbaum <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Igor,
> >
> > I certainly understand where you are coming from.  Criticism is very
> important.  Constructive comments in the code make sense even if they are
> a bit critical of the original implementation or instructive about why your
> change is better.
> >
>
> > Comments like MultiByteCrapStream is ignorant, and it really makes you
> look childish.  It reflects badly on you.  Andreas is right, it would also get you
> fired.  Please feel free to write: "this is badly broken, I wasted a hole day
> trying to fix it"  or some other warning to others that might step in the same
> mess you stepped in but please do it in a professional way that reflects well
> on you, the community, the original author and the people that will read your
> official comment.
>
> Okay, okay. I got it.
> But anyways, please don't treat me like a some kind of politican, who should
> always watch what he says.
> I like to have some fun sometimes. :)
>
> >
> > Respectfully yours,
> >
> > Ron Teitelbaum
> >
> >
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.