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Darius Clarke

Alan, Kim, & Squeak in education news again

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.thejournal.com/articles/18654

Teaching with Technology: The Secrets of Their Success

by Victor Rivero

Foremost leaders in education technology provide five lessons on using
today's tools to engage students, recharge teachers, and in some
cases, change the world.

THIS DOESN'T SEEM to be the place to come to discover the secrets of
teaching with technology. Between drab warehouses to the left and
lonesome train tracks to the right, Alan Kay's office is in a
nondescript building set in the concrete fringes of Los Angeles. But
its interior puts the exterior to shame. It is swank and cavernous—a
good place to hide, as Kay, nowhere to be seen, appears to be doing...

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Kim Rose

Re: Alan, Kim, & Squeak in education news again

I want to say that Alan and I were very disappointed with this
article. The writer was very taken with the facilities which our non
profit is hosted and provided space. Rivero spent more time
describing that, than our work. The "secret part" was relevant to
what he saw in that facility that was *not from* Viewpoints. As this
community well knows, nothing we do is kept secret. And, the
schools, etc. the articles go on to decribe have no relation to our
work....

-- Kim

At 10:52 PM -0700 6/25/06, Darius Clarke wrote:

>Here's the link to the article:
>
>http://www.thejournal.com/articles/18654
>
>Teaching with Technology: The Secrets of Their Success
>
>by Victor Rivero
>
>Foremost leaders in education technology provide five lessons on using
>today's tools to engage students, recharge teachers, and in some
>cases, change the world.
>
>THIS DOESN'T SEEM to be the place to come to discover the secrets of
>teaching with technology. Between drab warehouses to the left and
>lonesome train tracks to the right, Alan Kay's office is in a
>nondescript building set in the concrete fringes of Los Angeles. But
>its interior puts the exterior to shame. It is swank and cavernous-a
>good place to hide, as Kay, nowhere to be seen, appears to be doing...
>
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Darius Clarke

Re: Alan, Kim, & Squeak in education news again

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Sometimes that still makes good publicity ...
along the lines of the quote Alan likes:
"If we want to make sure students learn math, we should make it illegal."
or something like that.

"Secret" is somewhat like illegal. Maybe all your efforts & our
efforts should be labeled secret.

Along the lines of having a big enough lever to move the world, he
probably saw you pushing the board, saw the board, and the world. He
just couldn't mentally see the fulcrum you are using... why open
source, peer to peer, sharing big ideas in multimedia matters.

Cheers,
Darius
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Darius Clarke

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P.S.

Perhaps VPRI could send a "letter to the editor" to follow-up the
article, like a 1-2 punch. Repetition matters.

Don't forget to tell the editor the URL of your secret web page on
your site specifically targeted for his/her readers.
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Darius Clarke

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P.P.S.

[You know .. the secret page about how all the students who have
Squeak can already secretly create the Fibonacci sequence used in art,
architecture, biology, physics, math, etc. without their teachers even
knowing. And they don't even have to read any books about Da Vinci
codes.

among other secrets ...]
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Kim Rose

Re: Alan, Kim, & Squeak in education news again

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Hi, Darius -
Good points. FYI...I did write a letter to the editor....
Kim

At 7:55 AM -0700 6/26/06, Darius Clarke wrote:

>Sometimes that still makes good publicity ...
>along the lines of the quote Alan likes:
>"If we want to make sure students learn math, we should make it illegal."
>or something like that.
>
>"Secret" is somewhat like illegal. Maybe all your efforts & our
>efforts should be labeled secret.
>
>Along the lines of having a big enough lever to move the world, he
>probably saw you pushing the board, saw the board, and the world. He
>just couldn't mentally see the fulcrum you are using... why open
>source, peer to peer, sharing big ideas in multimedia matters.
>
>Cheers,
>Darius

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Milan Zimmermann-2

Re: Alan, Kim, & Squeak in education news again

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When I saw a link to this article I was excited about some marketing for new
ways of education facilitated by Squeak and eToys. But when reading the
article, it sounds quite confusing, and in some places more like commercial
for Microsoft, Dell and Lenovo. If the company visited was Viewpoints
Research, why does the article not mention it by name ... (unless it is
trying to add to this "secrecy" theme that sort of scared me). Perhaps the
author should be made to write a follow up that is reviewed before
publishing :)

Milan

On 2006 June 26 10:07, Kim Rose wrote:

> I want to say that Alan and I were very disappointed with this
> article. The writer was very taken with the facilities which our non
> profit is hosted and provided space. Rivero spent more time
> describing that, than our work. The "secret part" was relevant to
> what he saw in that facility that was *not from* Viewpoints. As this
> community well knows, nothing we do is kept secret. And, the
> schools, etc. the articles go on to decribe have no relation to our
> work....
>
> -- Kim
>
> At 10:52 PM -0700 6/25/06, Darius Clarke wrote:
> >Here's the link to the article:
> >
> >http://www.thejournal.com/articles/18654
> >
> >Teaching with Technology: The Secrets of Their Success
> >
> >by Victor Rivero
> >
> >Foremost leaders in education technology provide five lessons on using
> >today's tools to engage students, recharge teachers, and in some
> >cases, change the world.
> >
> >THIS DOESN'T SEEM to be the place to come to discover the secrets of
> >teaching with technology. Between drab warehouses to the left and
> >lonesome train tracks to the right, Alan Kay's office is in a
> >nondescript building set in the concrete fringes of Los Angeles. But
> >its interior puts the exterior to shame. It is swank and cavernous-a
> >good place to hide, as Kay, nowhere to be seen, appears to be doing...
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Squeakland mailing list
> >[hidden email]
> >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>
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Brad Fuller

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Milan Zimmermann wrote:

When I saw a link to this article I was excited about some marketing for new 
ways of education facilitated by Squeak and eToys. But when reading the 
article, it sounds quite confusing, and in some places more like commercial 
for Microsoft, Dell and Lenovo. If the company visited was Viewpoints 
Research, why does the article not mention it by name ... (unless it is 
trying to add to this "secrecy" theme that sort of scared me). Perhaps the 
author should be made to write a follow up that is reviewed before 
publishing :)

It's just a poorly written article. I couldn't really understand it. It was hard to read.
Too bad, I'd like to know more about Viewpoints and the work accomplished.

Brad



On 2006 June 26 10:07, Kim Rose wrote:

I want to say that Alan and I were very disappointed with this
article.  The writer was very taken with the facilities which our non
profit is hosted and provided space.  Rivero spent more time
describing that, than our work.  The "secret part" was relevant to
what he saw in that facility that was *not from* Viewpoints. As this
community well knows, nothing we do is kept secret.   And, the
schools, etc. the articles go on to decribe have no relation to our
work....

   -- Kim

At 10:52 PM -0700 6/25/06, Darius Clarke wrote:

Here's the link to the article:

http://www.thejournal.com/articles/18654

Teaching with Technology: The Secrets of Their Success

by Victor Rivero

Foremost leaders in education technology provide five lessons on using
today's tools to engage students, recharge teachers, and in some
cases, change the world.

THIS DOESN'T SEEM to be the place to come to discover the secrets of
teaching with technology. Between drab warehouses to the left and
lonesome train tracks to the right, Alan Kay's office is in a
nondescript building set in the concrete fringes of Los Angeles. But
its interior puts the exterior to shame. It is swank and cavernous-a
good place to hide, as Kay, nowhere to be seen, appears to be doing...

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Monika Bjel

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Hi Brad,

I'm the new office manager at Viewpoints Research, as well as Alan's
assistant. We're in the midst of updating and renovating the
Viewpoints site. This will provide a better understanding of the
scope and direction of our work. We hope to have the new site live in
the next few months.

Monika

On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:

> It's just a poorly written article. I couldn't really understand
> it. It was hard to read.
> Too bad, I'd like to know more about Viewpoints and the work
> accomplished.
>
> Brad
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Brad Fuller

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Monika Bjel wrote:
> Hi Brad,
>
> I'm the new office manager at Viewpoints Research, as well as Alan's
> assistant. We're in the midst of updating and renovating the
> Viewpoints site. This will provide a better understanding of the scope
> and direction of our work. We hope to have the new site live in the
> next few months.
Hey, great.
That sounds like a good excuse for a press release or a nice big article!

>
> Monika
>
> On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
>
>> It's just a poorly written article. I couldn't really understand it.
>> It was hard to read.
>> Too bad, I'd like to know more about Viewpoints and the work
>> accomplished.
>>
>> Brad
>

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