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Is there somewhere an end-2-end sample/demo (a todo seems to be the go) showcasing a simple CRUD Amber webapp and how to host it (on something free like Heroku or something)?
Client-side: Amber (with bootstrap/foundation?) Server-side: Amber/Pharo/Node? Data Persistence: (something like MongoDB perhaps?) I had a look at Node/Express/Backbone but I don't really like the look of it, Google Dart doesn't look too bad but it is not where it should be yet .... and frankly I would prefer something Smalltalky :) |
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I completely agree. A worked example is what we need. Perhaps we can pull something together collaboratively. I am still experimenting with Firebase as a persistence mechanism. It looks very promising. Plus, Google just announced Tailbone - js library to use GAE as a persistence mechanism. This could be good too.
Cheers Andy On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Geert Claes <[hidden email]> wrote: Is there somewhere an end-2-end sample/demo (a todo seems to be the go) You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Currently there is none, but it would be nice to have one, yes.
I could volunteer to write part of a demo app, with Pharo as a backend, using MongoDB and Amber on the client-side. Nico On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Geert Claes <[hidden email]> wrote: > Is there somewhere an end-2-end sample/demo (a todo seems to be the go) > showcasing a simple CRUD Amber webapp and how to host it (on something free > like Heroku or something)? > > Client-side: Amber (with bootstrap/foundation?) > Server-side: Amber/Pharo/Node? > Data Persistence: (something like MongoDB perhaps?) > > I had a look at Node/Express/Backbone but I don't really like the look of > it, Google Dart doesn't look too bad but it is not where it should be yet > .... and frankly I would prefer something Smalltalky :) > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Amber-demo-sample-tp4677291.html > Sent from the Amber Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Hi,
2013/3/19 Geert Claes <[hidden email]>: > Is there somewhere an end-2-end sample/demo (a todo seems to be the go) > showcasing a simple CRUD Amber webapp and how to host it (on something free > like Heroku or something)? > > Client-side: Amber (with bootstrap/foundation?) > Server-side: Amber/Pharo/Node? > Data Persistence: (something like MongoDB perhaps?) There was a similar discussion on this list a year ago - i commented here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/amber-lang/q_ZVuCIRm8U/urYjBB1f1TQJ i wrote this: "i played with amber + node.js + mongoDB on dotcloud.com as Hosting-Service. There is a free plan where you can use two "services" - when you select node.js and mongoDB, you can host Web-Applications with amber on the serverside using mongodb as persistence layer. iirc this is possible too on http://nodester.com but there you have to wait a few days for an invitation." the example code is in my amber-fork, but not in the master-branch (as noted in my posting), it is now at master-head. E.g. this is the server-code, running on node.js, using MongoDB for persistence: https://github.com/StefanKrecher/amber/blob/master-head/st/FileServer.st regards, Stefan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Hi!
Is SmalltalkHub exactly that kind of architecture? Amber, Bootstrap, Kalinigrad, SeasideREST, MongoDB? Wouldn't a strip down to a minimum example of a piece of SmalltalkHub exactly fulfill these needs? I mean, those sources are even hosted as a project on SmalltalkHub. Just my 2 cents Sebastian Am 19.03.2013 07:15, schrieb Stefan Krecher: > Hi, > > 2013/3/19 Geert Claes <[hidden email]>: >> Is there somewhere an end-2-end sample/demo (a todo seems to be the go) >> showcasing a simple CRUD Amber webapp and how to host it (on something free >> like Heroku or something)? >> >> Client-side: Amber (with bootstrap/foundation?) >> Server-side: Amber/Pharo/Node? >> Data Persistence: (something like MongoDB perhaps?) > There was a similar discussion on this list a year ago - i commented > here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/amber-lang/q_ZVuCIRm8U/urYjBB1f1TQJ > > i wrote this: > "i played with amber + node.js + mongoDB on dotcloud.com as > Hosting-Service. There is a free plan where you can use two "services" > - when you select node.js and mongoDB, you can host Web-Applications > with amber on the serverside using mongodb as persistence layer. > iirc this is possible too on http://nodester.com but there you have to > wait a few days for an invitation." > > the example code is in my amber-fork, but not in the master-branch (as > noted in my posting), it is now at master-head. > E.g. this is the server-code, running on node.js, using MongoDB for > persistence: https://github.com/StefanKrecher/amber/blob/master-head/st/FileServer.st > > regards, > Stefan > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Something basic, SmalltalkHub is probably a bit too complex as an quick sample. While Pharo for the server-side is nice, its not straight forward to host it on something like Heroku.
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Good point.
If that was a year ago then we should do something really updated, shouldn't we? What about using Zinc with WebSockets as foundation? That way, we'll have a bi-directional example which is cool plus nothing to envy to the newest stuff Stuff like meteor.js and all those many new full-duplex javascript frameworks that are popping all over the place On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Stefan Krecher wrote:
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Sorry Geert,
a typo... Kaliningrad is Dale Henrichs Amber in Seaside thing... http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/kaliningrad-developing-with-amber-seaside-and-monticello/ There's also a Amber-Onclick-image somewhere on one of the Squeak-repositories which hosts Amber from a Seaside server.... Sebastian Am 20.03.2013 01:08, schrieb Geert Claes: > Something basic, SmalltalkHub is probably a bit too complex as an quick > sample. While Pharo for the server-side is nice, its not straight forward > to host it on something like Heroku. > > btw, what is Kalingrad? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Amber-demo-sample-tp4677291p4677470.html > Sent from the Amber Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Hi,
2013/3/20 sebastian <[hidden email]>: > What about using Zinc with WebSockets as foundation? i don't think that this is what Geert is looking for - he want's a server-side deployment that can be hosted anywhere (e.g. on free hosting-platforms like heroku). It would be a good idea to have an environment to build client-server applications with amber - this environment should be as simple as possible - so it can be used on your local device for development but also on any hosting/ service/ platform provider. regards, Stefan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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you mean a server-side amber app?
I want that too but we're not there yet We need some features first On Mar 20, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Stefan Krecher wrote:
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2013/3/20 sebastian <[hidden email]>:
> you mean a server-side amber app? > > I want that too but we're not there yet > > We need some features first One important feature would be remote debugging - but that will be part of the new ide, if i understood this correctly. In my showcase i edited the serverside amber-code with amber in the browser. I had a new save-button in the ide that pushed the category i wanted to save to the serverside (running on node.js) - that worked pretty fine - though it was some kind of black-box sometimes - you could unit-test the classes on the client-side but when they don't run on the server-side it was very hard to debug. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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yah, until we have remote debug is not worthy to produce a demo on that architecture IMHO
after that? It'll rock...
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Agreed. Also, a demo with Pharo as a backend would be a good demo for smalltalkers too. Nico On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:30 PM, sebastian <[hidden email]> wrote:
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+1
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+1
El miércoles, 20 de marzo de 2013 18:55:23 UTC-3, nicolas petton escribió: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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It would be cool if that sample existed. I've been willing to try amber to do some rich web apps, maybe with pharo as a backend, but I don't know how to start :/.
Cheers!
-- On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:43:24 AM UTC-3, Geert Claes wrote: Is there somewhere an end-2-end sample/demo (a todo seems to be the go) You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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In reply to this post by Nicolas Petton
Absolutely, but is there somewhere where one can easilly run a free Pharo webserver to serve the Amber client and access something like MongoHQ.com?
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Thanks, I hadn't seen/read about that one yet. Apologies if its a silly question but does one need Seaside if the Client side is in Amber?
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not at all.
And is not that you can't either. For me, Seaside is overkill for doing things with Amber. As an example I have a billing system that runs on server: pharo + zinc + custom handlers + mapless +mongotalk client: Amber with the client side of the app o/ On Mar 21, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Geert Claes wrote:
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I have 2 examples with Pharo backend and WebSockets using. HMI example (big and unfinished) and very small chat example.
четверг, 21 марта 2013 г., 2:05:04 UTC+3 пользователь Darius написал: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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