Andreas projects on SS

> Hi guys!
>
> Ok, so while messing with SqueakSSL I note that Andreas has a bunch of
> projects on SS, of which only he is admin AFAICT. SqueakSSL and WebClient may
> be of strongest interest I guess.
>
> There is a WebClient on SS3 too (haven't checked if it has additions), but
> AFAIK neither of these two are on Smalltalkhub.
>
> So... I was wondering if we should:
>
> - Just gain access to the repos on SS (but SS...)
> - Just copy over into a new repo on StHub or SS3
> - Delete old repo or just let it be and potentially confusing people?
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> ...and btw, adding notes on Projects on SS that they are dead and pointing to
> StHub was a good idea BUT... my notes are gone. Probably due to SS restarted
> and losing data. Hmmm, I think I will delete my old projects simply.

> OK, I will not change anything.
> Dave
>
>> Dave and Ron,
>>
>> I'm sorry, I just think it's *wrong* to remove or move packages away
>> from where Andreas left them.
>>
>> The most proper way to address this is to create a new project (on
>> SS3) and update the SqueakMap catalog entry to point to that one.
>>
>> The second most-proper way is to add Ron as a *developer*, NOT an
>> admin.  Or, even open it up for public contributions so that new
>> versions can be ADDED, but not deleted, move, or otherwise molest the
>> original project structure and code in any way.  It's an ARCHIVE.
>>
>> We're dealing with MIT-licensed code, which means anyone, anytime, can
>> start up a new copy of a project somewhere else and fork it or
>> whatever.  We cannot rely on "one true place to find all code".  We
>> rely on catalog.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> Sorry I did not see your message before posting my other response. I do
>>> have access to squeaksource.com server, and I think that adding you as
>>> administrator to Andreas' projects would be entirely appropriate.
>>>
>>> I'm embarrassed to say it, but I don't actually know how to get admin
>>> access to a SqueakSource server the "right way". No doubt there is an
>>> admin user ID of some sort, but I never bothered trying to figure it
>>> out.
>>> I'm sure I can figure it out by looking in the image, so I'll do that as
>>> soon as I can (but maybe not for a couple of days).
>>>
>>> Other people on the box-admins list have similar access to the
>>> squeaksource.com server and the image, so if someone else wants to do
>>> this, please feel free.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Göran Krampe
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/13/2014 04:12 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
>>>>>> On 13 February 2014 14:40, Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, so while messing with SqueakSSL I note that Andreas has a bunch
>>>>>>> of projects on SS, of which only he is admin AFAICT. SqueakSSL and
>>>>>>> WebClient may be of strongest interest I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a WebClient on SS3 too (haven't checked if it has
>>>>>>> additions), but AFAIK neither of these two are on Smalltalkhub.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So... I was wondering if we should:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Just gain access to the repos on SS (but SS...)
>>>>>>> - Just copy over into a new repo on StHub or SS3
>>>>>>> - Delete old repo or just let it be and potentially confusing
>>>>> people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check the vm-devs archives, or just talk to Ron Teitelbaum. I can't
>>>>>> remember what the solution was, but there is a post-Andreas solution
>>>>>> to managing the codebase
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> The real issue is that I don’t have access to Andreas' repositories
>>>> to
>>>> help maintain them.  Could someone add me as an Administrator on SS for
>>>> Andreas' projects?
>>>>
>>>> I can be trusted to maintain them properly.  Once we have access we can
>>>> update code, make notes and / or move packages.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Ron Teitelbaum
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I work with Ron so I talked to him first :) - but it seems that
>>>>> thread didn't
>>>>> come to any conclusion on this actually.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron is fine with "moving" - I just want the move to be clear to
>>>>> everyone,
>>>>> otherwise its a mess and people will run "old stuff" and don't see
>>>>> that
>>>>> there are
>>>>> maintained versions and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> And either way (deleting, changing description, uploading a blocking
>>>>> mcz) to mark the project as old needs access.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Göran

> Hi guys!
>
> Ok, so while messing with SqueakSSL I note that Andreas has a bunch of projects on SS, of which only he is admin AFAICT. SqueakSSL and WebClient may be of strongest interest I guess.
>
> There is a WebClient on SS3 too (haven't checked if it has additions), but AFAIK neither of these two are on Smalltalkhub.
>
> So... I was wondering if we should:
>
> - Just gain access to the repos on SS (but SS...)
> - Just copy over into a new repo on StHub or SS3
> - Delete old repo or just let it be and potentially confusing people?
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> ...and btw, adding notes on Projects on SS that they are dead and pointing to StHub was a good idea BUT... my notes are gone. Probably due to SS restarted and losing data. Hmmm, I think I will delete my old projects simply.
>
> regards, Göran

> Hi Chris and all!
>
> On 02/13/2014 05:25 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
> [SNIP]
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> ...and btw, adding notes on Projects on SS that they are dead and pointing
>>>> to StHub was a good idea BUT... my notes are gone. Probably due to SS
>>>> restarted and losing data. Hmmm, I think I will delete my old projects
>>>> simply.
>>
>> Please do not delete old projects from SqueakSource.  Just because YOU
>> don't access "old code" because you use Pharo doesn't mean others
>> don't access it using Squeak.  Pleaes feel free to *copy* projects
>> there, but "moving" projects presumes and intrudes way too much.
>
> A lot of misconceptions above:
>
> 1. I use both Squeak and Pharo, both at work (3DICC) and for pleasure. What has that got to do with SS? AFAIK SS doesn't care.
>
> 2. My own personal projects are probably my own to decide over, right? My whole point was described in another reply to Levente (note that I am now talking about my own account, not Andreas):
>
> - I don't trust SS (and that is my choice)
> - I can't create new projects there and I want to use a single service
> - I don't want people to find a stale StompProtocol project when the current place for StompProtocol is on StHub
> - StHub works just as fine as an MC source as SS
>
> Now, what I *did* was that I added a bold note on each project that I had copied over - so that people would see that "Oh, this is not maintained". Now, those notes *ALL DISAPPEARED*. This is why I am now contemplating removal of the projects instead.
>
>> In fact, I think we should remove the ability to delete projects from SS.
>
> What?!
>
>> As original creator of Squeak's software catalog, you know better than
>> anyone that a software Catalog is the proper way to document what
>> versions work for what platform and where they can be installed from.
>
> Its not that easy anymore - SqueakMap is not used outside of Squeak (Pharo), and I would dare say its not even used 100% in the Squeak community.

>
> Further - it doesn't matter - I should be free to choose which repository I use for my code, don't you agree? If you want to copy my projects and publish them in your account - feel free to do so.
>
> But preventing me from moving my primary repo to somewhere else than SS is ... rude to say the least.
>
>>> Not all projects are dead on squeaksource.com. If you don't plan to update
>>> your projects there, then add a pointer to the new repository. Deleting the
>>> projects will not help at all.
>>
>> +1.
>
> See my response to that, I *did* and it got removed. See?
>
> Sigh... why are people suddenly so hostile?

> On 02/13/2014 06:27 PM, Tobias Pape wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 13.02.2014, at 15:40, Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> There is a WebClient on SS3 too (haven't checked if it has additions), but AFAIK neither of these two are on Smalltalkhub.
>>
>> Just as a Side note:
>> WebClient already moved (with Ron’s consent) to ss3.
>>
>> ss3.gemtalksystems.com/ss/WebClient.html
>
> Which proves my point perfectly. The repo on SS does not mention that at all!
>
> regards, Göran