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Jan Blizničenko

Athens do not work on Image 40316+

Hello

On image 40315 everything working.
On image 40316-40320 (latest) parts of Athens do not work, tried by running Athens Tutorial and Roassal 2, which are both based on Athens.
Problem is on both Windows and Linux (unable to test on any Mac)
Instead of describing the error, here is a link to download the image after downloading Athens-Tutorial and clicking on "do it" on Step 2 of tutorial: http://www.mediafire.com/download/va5wbm0qix3aqh2/PharoAthensBugWindows.zip

Hope it helps

Jan Blizničenko

Nicolai Hess

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

2014-10-23 0:16 GMT+02:00 Jan Blizničenko <[hidden email]>:

Hello

On image 40315 everything working.
On image 40316-40320 (latest) parts of Athens do not work, tried by running
Athens Tutorial and Roassal 2, which are both based on Athens.
Problem is on both Windows and Linux (unable to test on any Mac)
Instead of describing the error, here is a link to download the image after
downloading Athens-Tutorial and clicking on "do it" on Step 2 of tutorial:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/va5wbm0qix3aqh2/PharoAthensBugWindows.zip

Hope it helps

Jan Blizničenko

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I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '2.0'."

because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is not

uptodate with the one in the image.

Jan Blizničenko

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

Nicolai Hess wrote

I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion:
'2.0'."
because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is
not
uptodate with the one in the image.

I've never did the step one because of that reason.
Just as I said, to reproduce just download clean image, run Gofer it package Athens-Tutorial, run AthensTutorial new openWithSpec, press "next" arrow, press "do it", that's all. Then this error appears. Or you can download Roassal 2 and open Roassal examples, same error. Or our project based on Roassal.
On linux there is a little different error, but both are somehow similar (something about nativeboost, athens, cairo, etc.)

Marcus Denker-4

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

> On 23 Oct 2014, at 08:50, Jan Blizničenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nicolai Hess wrote
>> I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion:
>> '2.0'."
>> because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is
>> not
>> uptodate with the one in the image.
>
> I've never did the step one because of that reason.
> Just as I said, to reproduce just download clean image, run Gofer it package
> Athens-Tutorial, run AthensTutorial new openWithSpec, press "next" arrow,
> press "do it", that's all. Then this error appears. Or you can download
> Roassal 2 and open Roassal examples, same error. Or our project based on
> Roassal.
> On linux there is a little different error, but both are somehow similar
> (something about nativeboost, athens, cairo, etc.)
>
>

Do *not* run Gofer. The Tutorial is in the image…

Marcus

Jan Blizničenko

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

Marcus Denker-4 wrote

Do *not* run Gofer. The Tutorial is in the image…

Marcus

Well, then it is renamed or somehow hidden, because there is no Athens-Tutorial package, nor any class which name contains words "Tutorial" AND "Athens", especially not AthensTutorial.
And even if there is, it is irrelevant, because this bug has nothing to do with the tutorial itself, it is just a fastest way to run Athens directly, but the same bug happens when using it via Roassal (based on Athens), too.

Jan

Nicolai Hess

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

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2014-10-23 8:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Blizničenko <[hidden email]>:

Nicolai Hess wrote
> I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion:
> '2.0'."
> because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is
> not
> uptodate with the one in the image.

I've never did the step one because of that reason.
Just as I said, to reproduce just download clean image, run Gofer it package
Athens-Tutorial, run AthensTutorial new openWithSpec, press "next" arrow,
press "do it", that's all. Then this error appears. Or you can download
Roassal 2 and open Roassal examples, same error. Or our project based on
Roassal.
On linux there is a little different error, but both are somehow similar
(something about nativeboost, athens, cairo, etc.)

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I can not reproduce the error on a clean pharo image:
"Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40320"
Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'Athens';
package:'Athens-Tutorial'; load.
AthensTutorial new openWithSpec.

-> works

kilon.alios

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

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nope it is not, not in 40320 and not in any image I can remember.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 23 Oct 2014, at 08:50, Jan Blizničenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nicolai Hess wrote
>> I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion:
>> '2.0'."
>> because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is
>> not
>> uptodate with the one in the image.
>
> I've never did the step one because of that reason.
> Just as I said, to reproduce just download clean image, run Gofer it package
> Athens-Tutorial, run AthensTutorial new openWithSpec, press "next" arrow,
> press "do it", that's all. Then this error appears. Or you can download
> Roassal 2 and open Roassal examples, same error. Or our project based on
> Roassal.
> On linux there is a little different error, but both are somehow similar
> (something about nativeboost, athens, cairo, etc.)
>
>

Do *not* run Gofer. The Tutorial is in the image…

Marcus

kilon.alios

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

In reply to this post by Nicolai Hess

same here, looks like it works fine on win7 with the exact same version as yours

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Nicolai Hess <[hidden email]> wrote:

2014-10-23 8:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Blizničenko <[hidden email]>:
Nicolai Hess wrote
> I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion:
> '2.0'."
> because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is
> not
> uptodate with the one in the image.

I've never did the step one because of that reason.
Just as I said, to reproduce just download clean image, run Gofer it package
Athens-Tutorial, run AthensTutorial new openWithSpec, press "next" arrow,
press "do it", that's all. Then this error appears. Or you can download
Roassal 2 and open Roassal examples, same error. Or our project based on
Roassal.
On linux there is a little different error, but both are somehow similar
(something about nativeboost, athens, cairo, etc.)

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I can not reproduce the error on a clean pharo image:
"Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40320"
Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'Athens';
package:'Athens-Tutorial'; load.
AthensTutorial new openWithSpec.
-> works

Jan Blizničenko

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

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This topic seems to "forked" into two, please look at my reply in the other one:
http://forum.world.st/Athens-do-not-work-on-Image-40316-td4786137.html

In the tutorial, did you press the right/next button and then "do it" button (everything looks fine until I do that).
Does even "AthensDemoMorph example" work for you?

kilon.alios

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

yes I did both and yes they work without any problem. Only strange thing was when i click do it on first step in created a transparent surface which I think its to be expected since it only creates the surface and not draws on it on that first step. But definitely no error. I actually clicked do it on all steps and of course the next button to move to the next step even previous buttons works.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Jan B. <[hidden email]> wrote:

This topic seems to "forked" into two, please look at my reply in the other
one:
http://forum.world.st/Athens-do-not-work-on-Image-40316-td4786137.html

In the tutorial, did you press the right/next button and then "do it" button
(everything looks fine until I do that).
Does even "AthensDemoMorph example" work for you?

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Jan Blizničenko

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

Ok, I give up, it seems like gods just don't like me. I'm gonna stick with 40315.

Thanks for your time
Jan

kilon.alios

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

ok i donwloaded your zip and I think I know whats wrong, you probably saved the image and reopened and then it displayed the error ?

because browsing through yours stack of error it looks like you experience the usual session problem. This natural when you try to fit a non-live C library to a live smalltalk eniroment. Which means everything must be reinitalised at C side each time you open a saved image. Unfortunately there is no workaround and the tutorial also mentions this limitation.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jan B. <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, I give up, it seems like gods just don't like me. I'm gonna stick with
40315.

Thanks for your time
Jan

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kilon.alios

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

on the other hand even trying to reinitialise the Athens surface that should fix your session problem does not work, so it looks like the issue runs deeper than I thought, maybe Igor could help here

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

ok i donwloaded your zip and I think I know whats wrong, you probably saved the image and reopened and then it displayed the error ?

because browsing through yours stack of error it looks like you experience the usual session problem. This natural when you try to fit a non-live C library to a live smalltalk eniroment. Which means everything must be reinitalised at C side each time you open a saved image. Unfortunately there is no workaround and the tutorial also mentions this limitation.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jan B. <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ok, I give up, it seems like gods just don't like me. I'm gonna stick with
40315.

Thanks for your time
Jan

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Nicolai Hess

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

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2014-10-23 10:04 GMT+02:00 Jan B. <[hidden email]>:

Ok, I give up, it seems like gods just don't like me. I'm gonna stick with
40315.

Never give up!

Be sure you have a valid PharoV30.sources file.

Thanks for your time
Jan

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Jan Blizničenko

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

Nicolai Hess wrote

Never give up!

Be sure you have a valid PharoV30.sources file.

Of course, sources file! It worked perfectly without it for few months (since I started using Pharo 4), so I completely forgot it even exists. You solved my problem, thanks a lot!

Jan

abergel

Re: Athens do not work on Image 40316+

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Hi Jan!

I can have a look next beginning of next week (not earlier sorry).
In the meantime, you can use the Moose image. It is pretty stable.

Cheers,
Alexandre

> Le 23-10-2014 à 3:50, Jan Blizničenko <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> Nicolai Hess wrote
>> I think you can skip the first part: "ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion:
>> '2.0'."
>> because Athens is already in the image and the version on smalltalkhub is
>> not
>> uptodate with the one in the image.
>
> I've never did the step one because of that reason.
> Just as I said, to reproduce just download clean image, run Gofer it package
> Athens-Tutorial, run AthensTutorial new openWithSpec, press "next" arrow,
> press "do it", that's all. Then this error appears. Or you can download
> Roassal 2 and open Roassal examples, same error. Or our project based on
> Roassal.
> On linux there is a little different error, but both are somehow similar
> (something about nativeboost, athens, cairo, etc.)
>
>
>
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> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Athens-do-not-work-on-Image-40316-tp4786099p4786136.html
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>