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<https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/behold-pharo-the-modern-smalltalk-38e132c46053> If you would like to suggest some edits, I'm all ears. Anything to improve the impact of the article. Thanks. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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Very nice. Thanks.
Aik-Siong Koh -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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2017-10-04 12:30 GMT+02:00 horrido <[hidden email]>: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk the impact of the article. As you mentioned IoT part it would be nice to add link to PharoThings project https://github.com/pharo-iot/PharoThings.
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Hi Richard,
I would change the link text where machine learning refers to BioSmalltalk. Actually it is more a library for Bioinformatics. Cheers, Hernán 2017-10-04 7:30 GMT-03:00 horrido <[hidden email]>: > Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk > <https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/behold-pharo-the-modern-smalltalk-38e132c46053> > > If you would like to suggest some edits, I'm all ears. Anything to improve > the impact of the article. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > |
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What I like most about this article is the comparisons with common
trends (Pharo is to Smalltalk like Clojure is to Lisp) that bridge the gap between audiences. I would add some link to Cuis Smalltalk in the mention of the Smalltalk families, because of its minimalist approach. Also, may be you can add some mention to Grafoscopio [1] to complement the link about medicine data visualization. That link is getting old, but Grafoscopio community is moving and making other new project on data activism, visualization and storytelling, with more links to deep in (and upcoming news soon). [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html Thanks, Offray On 04/10/17 05:30, horrido wrote: > Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk > <https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/behold-pharo-the-modern-smalltalk-38e132c46053> > > If you would like to suggest some edits, I'm all ears. Anything to improve > the impact of the article. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > |
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Nice article. I like the way you've structured it and pushed the "updated" angle.
I feel a bit too strong a claim is laid on Pharo producing the CogVM. Much of the Cog + Spur + 64bit VM work was originally done for Squeak with Pharo riding the coat-tails of that work. Lately Pharo community has been involved in improving VM with hotspot optimisation with Sista and moving towards making Pharo embeddable.. (@Clement, is "hotspot optimsation" fair as a short tagline for inter-language comparison?) So maybe say "the Pharo project has been involved in producing: ... * the 64-bit Spur/Cog VM (used also by Squeak, Cuis and Newspeak) * hotspot optimisation with Sista * working towards embedding Pharo as a game scripting language" (not sure on that last one) cheers -ben On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 6:30 PM, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk |
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Yes, the "updated" angle was the crucial tactic. Thanks.
I just wanted to inform you that in just 48 hours since publication, this article has gathered over 11,000 views! This is a new record for me. Fastest rising. I am astounded by the number; I really didn't expect it. It's a very, very nice way to end my campaign on a high note. Hopefully, Pharo (and Smalltalk) will become more popular. Cheers. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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Cool! Waiting for the updated version with this mailing list feedback on it.
Cheers, Offray On 05/10/17 19:35, horrido wrote: > Yes, the "updated" angle was the crucial tactic. Thanks. > > I just wanted to inform you that in just 48 hours since publication, this > article has gathered over 11,000 views! This is a new record for me. Fastest > rising. > > I am astounded by the number; I really didn't expect it. It's a very, very > nice way to end my campaign on a high note. Hopefully, Pharo (and Smalltalk) > will become more popular. > > Cheers. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > |
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Thanks I think that this is really nice.
Thanks for your time. On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote: > Cool! Waiting for the updated version with this mailing list feedback on it. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > > On 05/10/17 19:35, horrido wrote: >> Yes, the "updated" angle was the crucial tactic. Thanks. >> >> I just wanted to inform you that in just 48 hours since publication, this >> article has gathered over 11,000 views! This is a new record for me. Fastest >> rising. >> >> I am astounded by the number; I really didn't expect it. It's a very, very >> nice way to end my campaign on a high note. Hopefully, Pharo (and Smalltalk) >> will become more popular. >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> > > |
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I've incorporated some of the suggestions. Thanks.
Here's a very lively discussion at Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15399442 The article has sparked a raging debate. Hacker News readers seem to really like the article, as it has garnered 150 points, /more than any other article that I've ever posted!/ (Even my original TechBeacon article <https://techbeacon.com/how-learning-smalltalk-can-make-you-better-developer> -- which launched my campaign! -- only got 115 points.) You should all participate in the discussion and help to dispel the many misconceptions people have about Pharo/Smalltalk. I find a great deal of ignorance out there, and *only you folks* can address it properly. Thanks. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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I received this comment from someone who complained:
*What about the lack of documentation? From time to time I’ve checked some SmallTalk implementations like Squeak, GNU-Smalltalk and now Pharo. Of these, only GNU-SmallTalk appears to have a free, official programming guide and core library reference that any serious programmer expects from a language. https://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/html_node/* I pointed to Pharo's documentation but then he came back with: *Then show me a link of the free, maintained reference documentation for the classes that form “the core library”, like this one for Python (https://docs.python.org/3/library/index.html)* It's true, most Smalltalks do not have a core library reference, not even VisualWorks! So what is the proper response to this complaint? Thanks. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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"It's Smalltalk. Read the code, Luke."? On Oct 6, 2017 08:55, "horrido" <[hidden email]> wrote: I received this comment from someone who complained: |
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> On 6 Oct 2017, at 14:54, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I received this comment from someone who complained: > > *What about the lack of documentation? From time to time I’ve checked some > SmallTalk implementations like Squeak, GNU-Smalltalk and now Pharo. Of > these, only GNU-SmallTalk appears to have a free, official programming guide > and core library reference that any serious programmer expects from a > language. > > https://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/html_node/* > > I pointed to Pharo's documentation but then he came back with: > > *Then show me a link of the free, maintained reference documentation for the > classes that form “the core library”, like this one for Python > (https://docs.python.org/3/library/index.html)* > > It's true, most Smalltalks do not have a core library reference, not even > VisualWorks! So what is the proper response to this complaint? The first answer is that Pharo/Smalltalk is unique in that a running system/IDE contains _all_ source code, _all_ documentation (class, method, help, tutorial), _all_ unit tests and _all_ runnable examples in a very easy, accessible way. It takes some getting used to, but this is actually better and much more powerful than any alternative. The second answer is that there are lots of books and articles that take the classic/structured book/paper approach. There is http://books.pharo.org, http://themoosebook.org, http://book.seaside.st/book, http://medium.com/concerning-pharo and many more. > Thanks. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > |
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Thanks. I gave your answer verbatim. I also added the following paragraph:
The problem I find with today’s developers is that they are rather closed-minded. They are rigid and inflexible, and not willing to adapt to new and different ways of doing things. In my generation (circa 1980–1990), people didn’t have a problem with trying different technologies. That’s why I had no issue with learning Smalltalk 10 years ago, after I had retired from a 20-year-long career in C systems programming and FORTRAN scientific programming. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 14:54, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> I received this comment from someone who complained: >> >> *What about the lack of documentation? From time to time I’ve checked >> some >> SmallTalk implementations like Squeak, GNU-Smalltalk and now Pharo. Of >> these, only GNU-SmallTalk appears to have a free, official programming >> guide >> and core library reference that any serious programmer expects from a >> language. >> >> https://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/html_node/* >> >> I pointed to Pharo's documentation but then he came back with: >> >> *Then show me a link of the free, maintained reference documentation for >> the >> classes that form “the core library”, like this one for Python >> (https://docs.python.org/3/library/index.html)* >> >> It's true, most Smalltalks do not have a core library reference, not even >> VisualWorks! So what is the proper response to this complaint? > > The first answer is that Pharo/Smalltalk is unique in that a running > system/IDE contains _all_ source code, _all_ documentation (class, method, > help, tutorial), _all_ unit tests and _all_ runnable examples in a very > easy, accessible way. It takes some getting used to, but this is actually > better and much more powerful than any alternative. > > The second answer is that there are lots of books and articles that take > the classic/structured book/paper approach. There is > http://books.pharo.org, http://themoosebook.org, > http://book.seaside.st/book, http://medium.com/concerning-pharo and many > more. > >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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I saw this comment, and wonder if we might have an intro video (or cartoon) of how to run the ProfStef tutorial in the first few minutes of opening your first image. > They need to work on the presentation. How do you get started ? How does the code look like ? etc. Not just "download this program and buy this book" reply yes, time, resources, someoneHasToDoIt all apply. just a random thought, cheers -ben On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks. I gave your answer verbatim. I also added the following paragraph: |
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This is fun because I was thinking that we should add to the main page
a videos of the counter coding in the debugger and GTInspector. We have the mooc videos showing ProfStef so we have nearly everything we need and now they are available (should upload them with english voice). Stef On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote: > I saw this comment, and wonder if we might have an intro video (or cartoon) > of how to run the ProfStef tutorial in the first few minutes of opening your > first image. > >> They need to work on the presentation. How do you get started ? How does >> the code look like ? etc. Not just "download this program and buy this book" > reply > > yes, time, resources, someoneHasToDoIt all apply. > just a random thought, > cheers -ben > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Thanks. I gave your answer verbatim. I also added the following paragraph: >> >> The problem I find with today’s developers is that they are rather >> closed-minded. They are rigid and inflexible, and not willing to adapt to >> new and different ways of doing things. In my generation (circa >> 1980–1990), >> people didn’t have a problem with trying different technologies. That’s >> why >> I had no issue with learning Smalltalk 10 years ago, after I had retired >> from a 20-year-long career in C systems programming and FORTRAN scientific >> programming. >> >> >> >> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 14:54, horrido < >> >> > horrido.hobbies@ >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> I received this comment from someone who complained: >> >> >> >> *What about the lack of documentation? From time to time I’ve checked >> >> some >> >> SmallTalk implementations like Squeak, GNU-Smalltalk and now Pharo. Of >> >> these, only GNU-SmallTalk appears to have a free, official programming >> >> guide >> >> and core library reference that any serious programmer expects from a >> >> language. >> >> >> >> https://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/html_node/* >> >> >> >> I pointed to Pharo's documentation but then he came back with: >> >> >> >> *Then show me a link of the free, maintained reference documentation >> >> for >> >> the >> >> classes that form “the core library”, like this one for Python >> >> (https://docs.python.org/3/library/index.html)* >> >> >> >> It's true, most Smalltalks do not have a core library reference, not >> >> even >> >> VisualWorks! So what is the proper response to this complaint? >> > >> > The first answer is that Pharo/Smalltalk is unique in that a running >> > system/IDE contains _all_ source code, _all_ documentation (class, >> > method, >> > help, tutorial), _all_ unit tests and _all_ runnable examples in a very >> > easy, accessible way. It takes some getting used to, but this is >> > actually >> > better and much more powerful than any alternative. >> > >> > The second answer is that there are lots of books and articles that take >> > the classic/structured book/paper approach. There is >> > http://books.pharo.org, http://themoosebook.org, >> > http://book.seaside.st/book, http://medium.com/concerning-pharo and many >> > more. >> > >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> > |
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I think Laurent wrote something to export classes and documentation as
html form to let user browse it. I have not idea where it is though. Hilaire Le 06/10/2017 à 14:54, horrido a écrit : > *Then show me a link of the free, maintained reference documentation for the > classes that form “the core library”, like this one for Python > (https://docs.python.org/3/library/index.html)* -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu |
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Maybe this [1] or this [2] (the two might be the same thing)
1. http://forum.world.st/Online-Pharo-Documentation-tp3468690.html 2. http://forum.world.st/webdoc-tt3654967.html ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
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> On 6 Oct 2017, at 19:57, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Maybe this [1] or this [2] (the two might be the same thing) > > 1. http://forum.world.st/Online-Pharo-Documentation-tp3468690.html > 2. http://forum.world.st/webdoc-tt3654967.html http://files.pharo.org/doc/4.0/#classList=package/Kernel.html&packageList=package.html&classView=welcome.html This is only up to Pharo 4. But the point remains, given an image and all our tools, why go to the web. |
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To get dead objects while we have them live :)
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 19:57, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Maybe this [1] or this [2] (the two might be the same thing) >> >> 1. http://forum.world.st/Online-Pharo-Documentation-tp3468690.html >> 2. http://forum.world.st/webdoc-tt3654967.html > > http://files.pharo.org/doc/4.0/#classList=package/Kernel.html&packageList=package.html&classView=welcome.html > > This is only up to Pharo 4. > > But the point remains, given an image and all our tools, why go to the web. > > > > |
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