Best list box morph

> From: Gary Dunn <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Newbies] Best list box morph
> To: "Squeak Beginners List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 6:42 AM
> I am developing techniques for
> building useful little apps from morphic
> building blocks, typically with a BookMorph or StackMorph
> as the
> foundation, and with a minimum of old fashioned programing.
> My goal is
> to teach this to high school students. One basic structure
> I want is a
> browser, like our System Browser. Basically a list box on
> the left and
> one or more text fields to the right; clicking on an entry
> in the list
> box displays the corresponding data.
>
> So far I have not found a useful list box morph. The
> EToyHierarchicalText morph comes close, but entry editing
> is too
> minimal. The LazyListMorph nevers appears. Is there a
> preferred or
> typical way this is done?

>
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> Gary Dunn, Honolulu
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>
> The other interesting thing to do is look at a simple browser and see how
> it works.
> Usually there is a window which has a model. Inside the window there are
> components such
> as pluggalbe lists and pluggable texts holders etc. Something, probably the
> model suggest
> how to layout the frames in the window. The various components communicate
> with each other
> by announcing changes and listening for update
> messages.

> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:31:39 -0500 David Mitchell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you looked at Maui?
>
> Yes, Maui is beautiful. I have ridden the Hana Road by bicycle four times. Paia is famous for wind surfing.
>>
>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836
>
> Oh, that Maui. I am not looking for yet another quirky UI builder. My goal is to teach high school students how to construct simple, focused apps using morphs. In tcl/tk I find list boxes useful building blocks and am supprised not to find any on the Objects tab.
>
> Installing from SqueakMap fails because Maui breaks FileList.
>
> Installing from Montecello fails because what I see looks nothing like what the wiki page describes, and the load generates a long list of warnings.
>
> =-=-=-=-=
>
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Jerome Peace <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >From your description it sounds like you are trying to mimic what a pdf
>> reader does (or
>> what a web page does) with a index table of contents in the left frame and
>> the file contents
>> or page in the right frame. Is that correct?
>
> Yes, but this is a specific example of a more generalized problem.
>
>> Assuming you could program it could you mock up the visuals for a page
>> without worring
>> about how it would work dynamically?
>
> Did that. Not on winning path.
>>
>> The other interesting thing to do is look at a simple browser and see how
>> it works.
>> Usually there is a window which has a model. Inside the window there are
>> components such
>> as pluggalbe lists and pluggable texts holders etc. Something, probably the
>> model suggest
>> how to layout the frames in the window. The various components communicate
>> with each other
>> by announcing changes and listening for update
>> messages.
>
> Sounds like old fashioned Smalltalk. I want students to become productive using Viewers and tiles and scripts. Tearing apart System Browser will come later.
> --
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> http://e9erust.blogspot.com/
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> From: Gary Dunn <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Newbies] Best list box morph
> To: "Squeak Beginners List" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 5:31 PM
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:31:39 -0500
> David Mitchell <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Have you looked at Maui?
>
> Yes, Maui is beautiful. I have ridden the Hana Road by
> bicycle four times. Paia is famous for wind surfing.
> >

> > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836
>
> Oh, that Maui. I am not looking for yet another quirky UI
> builder. My goal is to teach high school students how to
> construct simple, focused apps using morphs. In tcl/tk I
> find list boxes useful building blocks and am supprised not
> to find any on the Objects tab.
>
> Installing from SqueakMap fails because Maui breaks
> FileList.
>
> Installing from Montecello fails because what I see looks
> nothing like what the wiki page describes, and the load
> generates a long list of warnings.
>
> =-=-=-=-=
>
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Jerome Peace
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >From your description it sounds like you are trying to
> mimic what a pdf
> > reader does (or
> > what a web page does) with a index table of contents
> in the left frame and
> > the file contents
> > or page in the right frame. Is that correct?
>
> Yes, but this is a specific example of a more generalized
> problem.
>

> >
> > The other interesting thing to do is look at a simple
> browser and see how
> > it works.
> > Usually there is a window which has a model. Inside
> the window there are
> > components such
> > as pluggalbe lists and pluggable texts holders etc.
> Something, probably the
> > model suggest
> > how to layout the frames in the window. The various
> components communicate
> > with each other
> > by announcing changes and listening for update
> > messages.
>
> Sounds like old fashioned Smalltalk. I want students to
> become productive using Viewers and tiles and scripts.
> Tearing apart System Browser will come later.

>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Gary Dunn <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: Gary Dunn <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Newbies] Best list box morph
>> To: "Squeak Beginners List" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 5:31 PM
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:31:39 -0500
>> David Mitchell <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Have you looked at Maui?
>>
>> Yes, Maui is beautiful. I have ridden the Hana Road by
>> bicycle four times. Paia is famous for wind surfing.
>>>
> :-)
>
>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836
>>
>> Oh, that Maui. I am not looking for yet another quirky UI
>> builder. My goal is to teach high school students how to
>> construct simple, focused apps using morphs. In tcl/tk I
>> find list boxes useful building blocks and am supprised not
>> to find any on the Objects tab.
>>
>> Installing from SqueakMap fails because Maui breaks
>> FileList.
>>
>> Installing from Montecello fails because what I see looks
>> nothing like what the wiki page describes, and the load
>> generates a long list of warnings.
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Jerome Peace
>> <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From your description it sounds like you are trying to
>> mimic what a pdf
>>> reader does (or
>>> what a web page does) with a index table of contents
>> in the left frame and
>>> the file contents
>>> or page in the right frame. Is that correct?
>>
>> Yes, but this is a specific example of a more generalized
>> problem.
>>
> ????
>
>>> Assuming you could program it could you mock up the
>> visuals for a page
>>> without worring
>>> about how it would work dynamically?
>>
>> Did that. Not on winning path.
>
> Ummm. The reason I asked was so I could get a look at what you wanted?
> First rule of trouble shooting is first hand information.
>
>>>
>>> The other interesting thing to do is look at a simple
>> browser and see how
>>> it works.
>>> Usually there is a window which has a model. Inside
>> the window there are
>>> components such
>>> as pluggalbe lists and pluggable texts holders etc.
>> Something, probably the
>>> model suggest
>>> how to layout the frames in the window. The various
>> components communicate
>>> with each other
>>> by announcing changes and listening for update
>>> messages.
>>
>> Sounds like old fashioned Smalltalk. I want students to
>> become productive using Viewers and tiles and scripts.
>> Tearing apart System Browser will come later.
>
> Finding answers comes first. That usually means asking the definitive source what it thinks. Which is why I pointed to the closest example.
>
> I'd like to help but you haven't described what you what sufficently so that I might. Squeak is frustrating in that it will get you nearly close to knowing how to do what you want yet still remain far far away from the precise goal.
>
> There are now several different flavors, each pulling developers away from the old branch. Each with their own specialties. No one can earn an easy living maintaining free software. So often the last thing a user needs will not be there until they create it.
>
> Squeak.org is associated with the fine folks at squeak dev producers of various versions of squeak. VPRI (Alan Kay's company) are most closely associated with Etoys and the fine folks at Squeakland. They are the one's dedicated to the educational use of squeak via etoys. With the winding down of the OLPC project work on Etoys they also are strapped for resources.

> Pharo is a very vital offshoot community under the direction of Stephane Ducasse. They have the help of Gary Chambers who has spiffied up the Morphic UI. They are dedicated to the "adult" uses of sqeuak (a core useful for web design and univerity level academic exploration.)
>
> All free and all as valuable to your enquiry as their price.
>
> Where do you want to go from here?
>
> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
>>
>
>
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