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Box-Admins Team needs a new leader and/or we need a new way

Ken Causey-3
Perhaps you've forgotten or didn't notice but I tried to resign as the
Box-Admins Team Leader more than a year ago:

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-January/143901.html

Since that time I have simply done what I felt was necessary to maintain
the status quo.  I have neither the time nor interest in making large
changes to our hosting infrastructure.

The reality is that I'm an OK system administrator but a terrible
manager, and I haven't found anyone willing and capable to take over or
assist in any significant way.  I suspect that we don't have very many
people in this community with system administration experience and
willingness and time to do the work.

As a community I think we really need to think hard about how we want to
move forward regarding the services we use within the community.  I've
always been a strong proponent of 'eating our own dogfood' but we've
done very little in the last year or two progressing and even
significantly maintaining our own services infrastructure.  

I suggest we strongly considered leveraging managed services in the vein
of github, Google code, etc.  I simply don't see that we have the will
to manage these services ourselves in the immediate future.

I can continue as I have been for a while, but we can't continue like
this forever.  I just don't have the interest in doing this work anymore
beyond what is absolutely necessary.

Ken Causey



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Re: [Board] Box-Admins Team needs a new leader and/or we need a new way

Chris Muller-3
Thanks for the reminder, Ken.

Anyone who would like to join the box-admins team, please send a note
to [hidden email].  We will take up the issue at the
next board meeting and find a replacement for Ken.

 - Chris

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Ken Causey <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Perhaps you've forgotten or didn't notice but I tried to resign as the
> Box-Admins Team Leader more than a year ago:
>
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-January/143901.html
>
> Since that time I have simply done what I felt was necessary to maintain
> the status quo.  I have neither the time nor interest in making large
> changes to our hosting infrastructure.
>
> The reality is that I'm an OK system administrator but a terrible
> manager, and I haven't found anyone willing and capable to take over or
> assist in any significant way.  I suspect that we don't have very many
> people in this community with system administration experience and
> willingness and time to do the work.
>
> As a community I think we really need to think hard about how we want to
> move forward regarding the services we use within the community.  I've
> always been a strong proponent of 'eating our own dogfood' but we've
> done very little in the last year or two progressing and even
> significantly maintaining our own services infrastructure.
>
> I suggest we strongly considered leveraging managed services in the vein
> of github, Google code, etc.  I simply don't see that we have the will
> to manage these services ourselves in the immediate future.
>
> I can continue as I have been for a while, but we can't continue like
> this forever.  I just don't have the interest in doing this work anymore
> beyond what is absolutely necessary.
>
> Ken Causey
>
>
>

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Re: Box-Admins Team needs a new leader and/or we need a new way

Casey Ransberger-2
In reply to this post by Ken Causey-3
I'd consider it as well if the role was well defined and Ken et al were willing to provide some back up while I ramp up on ops stuff. My whole world has revolved around software development on UNIX, so I'm at least familiar with the environment, and I spent some time working with the architects at WhitePages.com, so I'm at least somewhat hip to issues/solutions of scale (not that we'd need much in the way of scale just yet!)

I do agree with Ken that we should consider unloading some of the burden. I think there are lots of free services out there that can provide a better level of service than we can in many cases, and I don't think control-for-controls sake makes sense.

On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:22 PM, "Ken Causey" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Perhaps you've forgotten or didn't notice but I tried to resign as the
> Box-Admins Team Leader more than a year ago:
>
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-January/143901.html
>
> Since that time I have simply done what I felt was necessary to maintain
> the status quo.  I have neither the time nor interest in making large
> changes to our hosting infrastructure.
>
> The reality is that I'm an OK system administrator but a terrible
> manager, and I haven't found anyone willing and capable to take over or
> assist in any significant way.  I suspect that we don't have very many
> people in this community with system administration experience and
> willingness and time to do the work.
>
> As a community I think we really need to think hard about how we want to
> move forward regarding the services we use within the community.  I've
> always been a strong proponent of 'eating our own dogfood' but we've
> done very little in the last year or two progressing and even
> significantly maintaining our own services infrastructure.  
>
> I suggest we strongly considered leveraging managed services in the vein
> of github, Google code, etc.  I simply don't see that we have the will
> to manage these services ourselves in the immediate future.
>
> I can continue as I have been for a while, but we can't continue like
> this forever.  I just don't have the interest in doing this work anymore
> beyond what is absolutely necessary.
>
> Ken Causey
>
>
>

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Re: Box-Admins Team needs a new leader and/or we need a new way

Göran Krampe
Hi folks!

Just wanted to say that I am around to do a bit of this work.

regards, Göran

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Re: Box-Admins Team needs a new leader and/or we need a new way

Josh Gargus
Hooray Goran!  And thanks Ken.

Cheers,
Josh


On Feb 4, 2011, at 1:43 AM, Göran Krampe wrote:

> Hi folks!
>
> Just wanted to say that I am around to do a bit of this work.
>
> regards, Göran
>