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Nicolas Cellier

Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Hi Marcel, Tobias,

I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a BasedSoundService).

Why?

Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.

It used to work.

But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been re-defined so as to answer an instance rather than a class.

Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...

I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug report is only here for the moment.

David T. Lewis

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Nicolas,

It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!

Dave

> Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class
> inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> BasedSoundService).
>
> Why?
> Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> It used to work.
>
> But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> re-defined
> so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>
> Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>
> I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> report is only here for the moment.
>
>

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Hi David,
Just a small brook for washing yet another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables ;)

My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.

Fortunately, there are not so much of them.

Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).

Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.

Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
There is no such thing as gift-support-service.

But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not sustainable

- either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened

- or no one cares and the issue can be closed.

If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.

But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...

2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:

Nicolas,

It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!

Dave

> Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class
> inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> BasedSoundService).
>
> Why?
> Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> It used to work.
>
> But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> re-defined
> so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>
> Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>
> I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> report is only here for the moment.
>
>

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Back to the original bug, I've fixed it in trunk.

Repairing broken SoundService default requires a new script (done).

Now I don't remember, should I create an update map to make sure that this script is evaluated?

2018-04-06 22:20 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:

Hi David,
Just a small brook for washing yet another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables ;)

My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
Fortunately, there are not so much of them.

Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.

Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
There is no such thing as gift-support-service.

But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not sustainable
- either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
- or no one cares and the issue can be closed.

If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...

2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
Nicolas,

It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!

Dave

> Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class
> inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> BasedSoundService).
>
> Why?
> Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> It used to work.
>
> But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> re-defined
> so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>
> Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>
> I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> report is only here for the moment.
>
>

Tobias Pape

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

> On 06.04.2018, at 23:12, Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Back to the original bug, I've fixed it in trunk.

OK :)
thanks
-t

>
> Repairing broken SoundService default requires a new script (done).
> Now I don't remember, should I create an update map to make sure that this script is evaluated?
>
> 2018-04-06 22:20 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
> Hi David,
> Just a small brook for washing yet another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables ;)
>
> My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
> Fortunately, there are not so much of them.
>
> Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
> Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.
>
> Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
> There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
> There is no such thing as gift-support-service.
>
> But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not sustainable
> - either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
> - or no one cares and the issue can be closed.
>
> If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
> But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...
>
> 2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
> Nicolas,
>
> It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!
>
> Dave
>
> > Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> > I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class
> > inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> > BasedSoundService).
> >
> > Why?
> > Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> > default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> > It used to work.
> >
> > But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> > re-defined
> > so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
> >
> > Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
> >
> > I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> > report is only here for the moment.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ben Coman

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

In reply to this post by Nicolas Cellier

On 7 April 2018 at 04:20, Nicolas Cellier
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi David,
> Just a small brook for washing yet another
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables
> ;)
>
> My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and
> if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
> Fortunately, there are not so much of them.
>
> Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
> Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.

Note that this is done by a bot, so there is no judgement of the
importance of the issue.
The judgement comes from the initiator re-opening it.

>
> Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I
> mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
> There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I
> rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
> There is no such thing as gift-support-service.

Personally, when my Pharo issues are auto-closed
sometimes I think "Whoops, I really do mean to get back to that" and re-open it,
and othertimes I think "Nah! It never happened to me twice, not
*really* important" and I leave it closed.
The latter doesn't discourage me from logging issues. Its there to be
found if its a common issue
and it gains additional comments indicating it should be reopened if
no-one yet dealt with it.

cheers -ben

>
> But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not
> sustainable
> - either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
> - or no one cares and the issue can be closed.

>
> If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he
> would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
> But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...
>
> 2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> Nicolas,
>>
>> It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> > Hi Marcel, Tobias,
>> > I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService
>> > (class
>> > inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
>> > BasedSoundService).
>> >
>> > Why?
>> > Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
>> > default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
>> > It used to work.
>> >
>> > But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
>> > re-defined
>> > so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>> >
>> > Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>> >
>> > I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the
>> > bug
>> > report is only here for the moment.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Le sam. 7 avr. 2018 à 05:51, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> a écrit :

On 7 April 2018 at 04:20, Nicolas Cellier
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi David,
> Just a small brook for washing yet another
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables
> ;)
>
> My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and
> if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
> Fortunately, there are not so much of them.
>
> Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
> Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.

Note that this is done by a bot, so there is no judgement of the
importance of the issue.
The judgement comes from the initiator re-opening it.

>
> Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I
> mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
> There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I
> rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
> There is no such thing as gift-support-service.

Personally, when my Pharo issues are auto-closed
sometimes I think "Whoops, I really do mean to get back to that" and re-open it,
and othertimes I think "Nah! It never happened to me twice, not
*really* important" and I leave it closed.
The latter doesn't discourage me from logging issues. Its there to be
found if its a common issue
and it gains additional comments indicating it should be reopened if
no-one yet dealt with it.

cheers -ben

Hi Ben,

That's the right attitude. But remember that I'm emotional, it helps to perceive things or obscure others when it gets personal.

>
> But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not
> sustainable
> - either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
> - or no one cares and the issue can be closed.

>
> If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he
> would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
> But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...
>
> 2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> Nicolas,
>>
>> It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> > Hi Marcel, Tobias,
>> > I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService
>> > (class
>> > inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
>> > BasedSoundService).
>> >
>> > Why?
>> > Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
>> > default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
>> > It used to work.
>> >
>> > But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
>> > re-defined
>> > so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>> >
>> > Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>> >
>> > I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the
>> > bug
>> > report is only here for the moment.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

David T. Lewis

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

In reply to this post by Nicolas Cellier

On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 10:20:12PM +0200, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
> Hi David,
> Just a small brook for washing yet another
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables
> ;)
>

LOL!

And you are right.

Dave

> My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and
> if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
> Fortunately, there are not so much of them.
>
> Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
> Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.
>
> Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I
> mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
> There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I
> rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
> There is no such thing as gift-support-service.
>
> But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not
> sustainable
> - either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
> - or no one cares and the issue can be closed.
>
> If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he
> would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
> But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...
>
> 2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Nicolas,
> >
> > It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > > Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> > > I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService
> > (class
> > > inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> > > BasedSoundService).
> > >
> > > Why?
> > > Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> > > default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> > > It used to work.
> > >
> > > But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> > > re-defined
> > > so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
> > >
> > > Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
> > >
> > > I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> > > report is only here for the moment.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >

marcel.taeumel

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

In reply to this post by Nicolas Cellier

Hi Nicolas,

thank you. I think I will also override #default: to ensure that only behaviors are stored. At the moment, the meaning of #default changed without taking take of #default: so that "self default: self default" still works. No updateMap/script should be required if we make sure that ReleaseBuilder also resets all AppRegistries.

Best,

Marcel

Am 06.04.2018 23:12:43 schrieb Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:

Back to the original bug, I've fixed it in trunk.

Repairing broken SoundService default requires a new script (done).
Now I don't remember, should I create an update map to make sure that this script is evaluated?

2018-04-06 22:20 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
Hi David,
Just a small brook for washing yet another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables ;)

My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
Fortunately, there are not so much of them.

Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.

Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
There is no such thing as gift-support-service.

But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not sustainable
- either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
- or no one cares and the issue can be closed.

If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...

2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
Nicolas,

It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!

Dave

> Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class
> inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> BasedSoundService).
>
> Why?
> Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> It used to work.
>
> But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> re-defined
> so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>
> Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>
> I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> report is only here for the moment.
>
>

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

+1,
Nice to see that my exact thoughts are already in trunk, it's magic ;)

2018-04-08 11:46 GMT+02:00 Marcel Taeumel <[hidden email]>:

Hi Nicolas,

thank you. I think I will also override #default: to ensure that only behaviors are stored. At the moment, the meaning of #default changed without taking take of #default: so that "self default: self default" still works. No updateMap/script should be required if we make sure that ReleaseBuilder also resets all AppRegistries.

Best,
Marcel

Am 06.04.2018 23:12:43 schrieb Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:

Back to the original bug, I've fixed it in trunk.

Repairing broken SoundService default requires a new script (done).
Now I don't remember, should I create an update map to make sure that this script is evaluated?

2018-04-06 22:20 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
Hi David,
Just a small brook for washing yet another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules#Fifth_labour:_Augean_stables ;)

My advice would be to inspect the entries updated these last two years, and if still relevant confirm (or fix) else close.
Fortunately, there are not so much of them.

Then I would close all the rest (resolution = timeout).
Other teams including Pharo have such a policy.

Generally, I hate when my opened issues are closed like that, because I mostly don't use Pharo, so I consider these as pure gifts.
There is a side effect that I'm not encouraged to report anymore, and I rarely reopen them, because I have no time to check.
There is no such thing as gift-support-service.

But, in the end, Pharo team is right: accumulation of rotten issues is not sustainable
- either the issue is important, and it must/will be reopened
- or no one cares and the issue can be closed.

If Heracles himself wants to inspect and resolve the timed-out issues, he would just have to set a filter with a few clicks.
But there's no hurry, the Augean stables had to wait 30 years...

2018-04-06 21:58 GMT+02:00 David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>:
Nicolas,

It is really good to see those Mantis issues being addressed. Thank you!

Dave

> Hi Marcel, Tobias,
> I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class
> inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a
> BasedSoundService).
>
> Why?
> Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the
> default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
> It used to work.
>
> But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been
> re-defined
> so as to answer an instance rather than a class.
>
> Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...
>
> I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug
> report is only here for the moment.
>
>

Edgar De Cleene

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

In reply to this post by Nicolas Cellier

Re: [squeak-dev] Bug: SoundService default is not a class Nicolas, we have a 5.2 project now and I looking all which seems a bug for made a bug report in Mantis mention the mail.
First I test on 5.2 AllInOne for see if bug shows.
I hear the sound so you think this is stilla issue ?

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 06/04/2018, 16:52, "Nicolas Cellier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Marcel, Tobias,
I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a BasedSoundService).

Why?
Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
It used to work.

But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been re-defined so as to answer an instance rather than a class.

Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...

I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug report is only here for the moment.

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Hi Edgar,

this issue is fixed now.

Maybe once a year, or maybe less, I inspect if there are interesting reports, because we have a few links still pointing to it.

I then try to close some. But personnally I would not open an issue here.

I think that Mantis is almost dead.

I would opt for a github issue tracker, coupled with travis driven tests.

Somewhere under https://github.com/squeak-smalltalk maybe?

2018-07-17 13:24 GMT+02:00 Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]>:

Nicolas, we have a 5.2 project now and I looking all which seems a bug for made a bug report in Mantis mention the mail.
First I test on 5.2 AllInOne for see if bug shows.
I hear the sound so you think this is stilla issue ?

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 06/04/2018, 16:52, "Nicolas Cellier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Marcel, Tobias,
I encountered a bug, when playing a sound, the default SoundService (class inst var) was not a class (BasedSoundService) but an instance (a BasedSoundService).

Why?
Because, there is a TileMorphTest>>setUp that remember which is the default, then tries to restore it in tearDown.
It used to work.

But, in between, SoundService default and defaultOrNil have been re-defined so as to answer an instance rather than a class.

Thus, when we play the tests, we can no more play the sounds...

I hesitate to open a Mantis issue, no one read nor close them, so the bug report is only here for the moment.

Edgar De Cleene

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Re: [squeak-dev] Bug: SoundService default is not a class Only if nobody use some is dead.
Mantis could be not the most exciting bug tracker , but works.
And now git is under Microsoft control, personally is risky use it.
Once I build a Mantis clone all in Squeak,maybe is time to resurrect it

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 17/07/2018, 18:14, "Nicolas Cellier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Edgar,
this issue is fixed now.
Maybe once a year, or maybe less, I inspect if there are interesting reports, because we have a few links still pointing to it.
I then try to close some. But personnally I would not open an issue here.
I think that Mantis is almost dead.
I would opt for a github issue tracker, coupled with travis driven tests.
Somewhere under https://github.com/squeak-smalltalk maybe?

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

2018-07-18 12:47 GMT+02:00 Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]>:

Only if nobody use some is dead.
Mantis could be not the most exciting bug tracker , but works.

Activity is close to zero, so it's mostly abandonned.

It's not administrated.

No-one harvest the reports.

Feature-wise, it's not integrated with source code version/continuous integration, while github is (if only we decide it...)

And now git is under Microsoft control, personally is risky use it.

It's immensely more risky to maintain our own architecture

Once I build a Mantis clone all in Squeak,maybe is time to resurrect it

Even more risky ;)

No offense :)

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 17/07/2018, 18:14, "Nicolas Cellier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Edgar,
this issue is fixed now.
Maybe once a year, or maybe less, I inspect if there are interesting reports, because we have a few links still pointing to it.
I then try to close some. But personnally I would not open an issue here.
I think that Mantis is almost dead.
I would opt for a github issue tracker, coupled with travis driven tests.
Somewhere under https://github.com/squeak-smalltalk maybe?

Edgar De Cleene

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Re: [squeak-dev] Bug: SoundService default is not a class

On 18/07/2018, 09:49, "Nicolas Cellier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

It's not administrated.

No-one harvest the reports.

Just recently I have developer right's and begin to have 5.2 related stuff .
Also dig this mail list to found bugs still happenning and made a Mantis issue report. (so I found this old and solved)

Once I build a Mantis clone all in Squeak,maybe is time to resurrect it

Even more risky ;)
No offense :)

I do what could.
No offenses.
As for git, could be one option if all agree (and use)

Edgar
@morplenauta

Nicolas Cellier

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

2018-07-18 15:11 GMT+02:00 Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]>:

On 18/07/2018, 09:49, "Nicolas Cellier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

It's not administrated.

No-one harvest the reports.

Just recently I have developer right's and begin to have 5.2 related stuff .
Also dig this mail list to found bugs still happenning and made a Mantis issue report. (so I found this old and solved)

Once I build a Mantis clone all in Squeak,maybe is time to resurrect it

Even more risky ;)
No offense :)

I do what could.

It's not at all personal, I could do lot worse than you :)

It's about our capacity to collectively develop and maintain a solid infrastructure, I mean a socially efficient one.

No offenses.
As for git, could be one option if all agree (and use)

git is not the keypoint. It's rather good, scales rather well but is very complex (many ways to achieve the same thing, many command line options, etc...).

github is the key. It's the social thing.

Edgar
@morplenauta

David T. Lewis

Please grant Mantis administrator rights for Edgar (was: Bug: SoundService default is not a class)

In reply to this post by Edgar De Cleene

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:47:47AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
> Only if nobody use some is dead.
> Mantis could be not the most exciting bug tracker , but works.
> And now git is under Microsoft control, personally is risky use it.
> Once I build a Mantis clone all in Squeak,maybe is time to resurrect it
>
>
> Edgar
> @morplenauta

Edgar,

Can you please be the administrator for Mantis? We do not currently
have an administrator, but I think that Tobias knows how to give you
the necessary access. You have the support of the Squeak oversight
board (CCed), we discussed this at our meeting today.

Tobias,

If possible, could you please give Mantis administrator rights to Edgar?
I do not know how this works, but I think that you mentioned previously
that you could do this. If you need another person to help from an
administrative point of view (server access on the box) you may add
me in that role, but Edgar should be the actual Mantis administrator
on bugs.squeak.org.

Thanks to both of you,

Dave

p.s. This does not mean that the board is advocating Mantis, just that
we want Edgar to have the tools that he needs and has asked for. Please
carry on discussing bug trackers in the original thread :-)

Edgar De Cleene

Re: Please grant Mantis administrator rights for Edgar (was: Bug: SoundService default is not a class)

Tobias give me rights
Thanks Tobias. !

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jul 2018, at 21:38, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:47:47AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>> Only if nobody use some is dead.
>> Mantis could be not the most exciting bug tracker , but works.
>> And now git is under Microsoft control, personally is risky use it.
>> Once I build a Mantis clone all in Squeak,maybe is time to resurrect it
>>
>>
>> Edgar
>> @morplenauta
>
> Edgar,
>
> Can you please be the administrator for Mantis? We do not currently
> have an administrator, but I think that Tobias knows how to give you
> the necessary access. You have the support of the Squeak oversight
> board (CCed), we discussed this at our meeting today.
>
> Tobias,
>
> If possible, could you please give Mantis administrator rights to Edgar?
> I do not know how this works, but I think that you mentioned previously
> that you could do this. If you need another person to help from an
> administrative point of view (server access on the box) you may add
> me in that role, but Edgar should be the actual Mantis administrator
> on bugs.squeak.org.
>
> Thanks to both of you,
>
> Dave
>
> p.s. This does not mean that the board is advocating Mantis, just that
> we want Edgar to have the tools that he needs and has asked for. Please
> carry on discussing bug trackers in the original thread :-)
>
>

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Administrator

In reply to this post by Edgar De Cleene

Edgar J. De Cleene-3 wrote
> And now git is under Microsoft control, personally is risky use it.

With all the importers/exporters between the major hosts (GitHub, GitLab,
BitBucket), etc. I'm sure sure this is an actual issue in practice. I've
made at least 3 switches as prices/features have evolved and they were all
pretty much one-click.

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Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Bug: SoundService default is not a class

Administrator

In reply to this post by Nicolas Cellier

Nicolas Cellier wrote
> github is the key. It's the social thing.

+1. Things like issue/commit linking, and the ability to discuss changes
inline in the diff are powerful (and fun). For me the game changer was
one-click forking…

Old workflow: find an awesome - but abandoned - library. Have a small fix
that makes it work again. But no access to mcz repo :/ Start a
days?weeks?months?-long hunt for the maintainer. Ultimately realize that
they have left the community and…

New workflow: Click "Fork" and happily continue coding. Bonus points for
clicking "New Pull Request" so the original project can merge if interested.

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