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Hi list,
-- I'm starting the UI of my app and I'm feeling terribly bored, as I have to do once again what has been done an infinity of times (and I myself had to do several times in different languages, frameworks, etc), the dull and boring business widgets.
I need a tree widget, some tabs, menus, etc. How do you guys address this? Do you code your own or get them ready-made from somewhere? If you code your own, don't you think it'd be nice if we set up some kind of widget repo from where you could just pull, for instance, a paginator, a grid, a tree or a wysiwyg editor?
If I have to code them from scratch, I'd be much more motivated knowing they'll end up somewhere useful, where people will enhance them and reuse them :) Cheers!
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Well, I would reuse some (not too opinionanted) JS library for View part and use my Trapped for a ViewModel; or you can ask Nicolas if his Moka project for MVC stack is good enough for some real try...
Herby Bernat Romagosa wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm starting the UI of my app and I'm feeling terribly bored, as I > have to do once again what has been done an infinity of times (and I > myself had to do several times in different languages, frameworks, > etc), the dull and boring business widgets. > > I need a tree widget, some tabs, menus, etc. > > How do you guys address this? Do you code your own or get them > ready-made from somewhere? > > If you code your own, don't you think it'd be nice if we set up some > kind of widget repo from where you could just pull, for instance, a > paginator, a grid, a tree or a wysiwyg editor? > > If I have to code them from scratch, I'd be much more motivated > knowing they'll end up somewhere useful, where people will enhance > them > > Cheers! > > Bernat. > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Herby Vojčík writes: > Well, I would reuse some (not too opinionanted) JS library for View > part and use my Trapped for a ViewModel; or you can ask Nicolas if his > Moka project for MVC stack is good enough for some real try... It's not yet ready for prime-time :) Nico > > Herby > > Bernat Romagosa wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> I'm starting the UI of my app and I'm feeling terribly bored, as I >> have to do once again what has been done an infinity of times (and I >> myself had to do several times in different languages, frameworks, >> etc), the dull and boring business widgets. >> >> I need a tree widget, some tabs, menus, etc. >> >> How do you guys address this? Do you code your own or get them >> ready-made from somewhere? >> >> If you code your own, don't you think it'd be nice if we set up some >> kind of widget repo from where you could just pull, for instance, a >> paginator, a grid, a tree or a wysiwyg editor? >> >> If I have to code them from scratch, I'd be much more motivated >> knowing they'll end up somewhere useful, where people will enhance >> them > and reuse them :) >> >> Cheers! >> >> Bernat. >> >> -- >> Bernat Romagosa. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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What I'll start doing is reusing the work done in Helios. Nicely refactored and proven to work ;) 2014/1/7 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
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Bernat,
I would instead have a look at Moka. It is exatcly that: an extraction of Helios widgets into a MVC framework. It's not finished, but if you do need something like that, I'd suggest that you have a look at the branch :) Cheers, Nico Bernat Romagosa writes: > What I'll start doing is reusing the work done in Helios. Nicely refactored > and proven to work ;) > > > 2014/1/7 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> > >> >> Herby Vojčík writes: >> >> > Well, I would reuse some (not too opinionanted) JS library for View >> > part and use my Trapped for a ViewModel; or you can ask Nicolas if his >> > Moka project for MVC stack is good enough for some real try... >> >> It's not yet ready for prime-time :) >> >> Nico >> >> > >> > Herby >> > >> > Bernat Romagosa wrote: >> >> Hi list, >> >> >> >> I'm starting the UI of my app and I'm feeling terribly bored, as I >> >> have to do once again what has been done an infinity of times (and I >> >> myself had to do several times in different languages, frameworks, >> >> etc), the dull and boring business widgets. >> >> >> >> I need a tree widget, some tabs, menus, etc. >> >> >> >> How do you guys address this? Do you code your own or get them >> >> ready-made from somewhere? >> >> >> >> If you code your own, don't you think it'd be nice if we set up some >> >> kind of widget repo from where you could just pull, for instance, a >> >> paginator, a grid, a tree or a wysiwyg editor? >> >> >> >> If I have to code them from scratch, I'd be much more motivated >> >> knowing they'll end up somewhere useful, where people will enhance >> >> them >> > and reuse them :) >> >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> Bernat. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Bernat Romagosa. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "amber-lang" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> >> an email to [hidden email]. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> Nicolas Petton >> http://nicolas-petton.fr >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Oh cool! I'll do that, thanks :) Bernat. 2014/1/7 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> Bernat, Bernat Romagosa. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Hi :)
I want to build something similar to Helios IDE and I've been trying to understand how it works. Before I read this post I was alwats thinking that current Helios IDE is implementing MVC pattern because HLModel has this comment in it: " I am the "Model" part of the MVC pattern implementation in Helios." I thought the model part of MVC for Helios is Smalltalk core libraries and the view part is the Helios browser. I still have no idea which part is the controller part of Helios MVC. So which part Helios is the controller part of MVC pattern ? Deos Helios implement MVC pattern at all ? Why do we need to extract Helios ? Is there a different between MVC pattern and MVC framework ? I tired to take a look at moka but I have no idea how to run it. Any help is much appreciated. |
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I can't answer for Helios specifically, but a Model is generally a thing that stores state. There are many kinds of models that make up complex systems. So think of the textarea in a browser. Most people hook their model up to the textarea and show their text using that textarea as a "view," which of course it is from their current perspective. Then they hook their controller up to the textarea onchange events. The browser, of course, has its own internal representation of the state of the textarea. Without looking at the code of the browser, I am reasonably sure that class has "Model" in its name. So, to extend that thought a bit, imagine you want to build a component that works a different way using native browser widgets... You can imagine using composition to make these classes on the browser side. Now you have native widgets and custom widgets, and your application code uses them interchangeably without knowing who implements what, or how it is implemented. They are a widget from the client's perspective. So what the "model" is really depends on what code you are looking at and whether you are inside the implementation or outside looking in at the interface. It's not as simple as there being just one "model." Hope this helps, Jeremy On Aug 23, 2014 9:31 AM, "aria2end" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:31 AM, aria2end <[hidden email]> wrote: So which part Helios is the controller part of MVC pattern ? Its Widgets. They are Controllers that can paint its views. Deos Helios implement MVC pattern at all ? Is not purist MVC but is MVC-ish. Why do we need to extract Helios ?Didn’t really get this question. Try rephrasing it if you like. Is there a different between MVC pattern and MVC framework ? You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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Thank you a lot Jeremy and Sebastian, it helped a lot.
And About rephrasing my question, I wanted to know the reason of why Nicolas wants Helios widgets into a MVC framework and what is Moka ? |
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Hi!
Moka is an attempt to extract UI elements built in Helios in more generic and reusable widget, with a more script MVC implementation. Helios is now a pretty complex beast, and its UI can definitely benefit from having it extracted and improved separately. Mola quickly evolved into something much more advanced than what you have in Helios UI, but it's far from being ready to be used though. aria2end <[hidden email]> writes: > Thank you a lot Jeremy and Sebastian, it helped a lot. > > And About rephrasing my question, I wanted to know the reason of why Nicolas > wants Helios widgets into a MVC framework and what is Moka ? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Business-Widgets-tp4734845p4774459.html > Sent from the Amber Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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That is very interesting and I really want to try it but I can't figure out how to load Moka.
I downloaded Moka from github and I used the command -bower install to get the dependencies. But when I serve it on localost I receive so many errors. what am I doing wrong ? 
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In reply to this post by Bernat Romagosa
Hey B
I'm working on something that should allow you to easily address that with boostrap plus some stuff. Ping me on skype and I show you It might give me ideas on how to make a screencast for all
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