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Avi Bryant-2
This is what they really look like, of course... (from Galiano Island
where I spend most weekends).

http://smallthought.com/avi/seastar.jpg

On 3/14/07, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside-
> > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Flower
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:56 PM
> > To: Seaside - general discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Call For Design for the Seaside web site
> >
> > Brad Fuller wrote:
> > > Michael Davies wrote:
> > >> Okay, I got my hands dirty...
> > >>
> > >> I looked at the existing logo again and I think it's actually very
> > >> good, so I had a play with the existing seaside page to see if a
> few
> > >> tweaks could start to liven it up.
> > >> I used kuler to touch up the colours - the seaside logo is now in
> > >> Mediterranean colours rather than North Sea colours!
> > >> I used Century Gothic from the logo as the headline font, using
> > >> colours from the palette that I generated in kuler.
> > >> I copied Samuel's idea of a bottom-of-page navigation bar, and
> added
> > >> some other areas of colour to liven the page up.
> > >>
> > >> Now I did all this in a simple image-editing package (Seashore by
> > >> coincidence), so this image isn't great, but I think it shows that
> > >> there's things that could be done with the existing look.
> > >>
> > >> So what do people think?
> > >>
> > >> http://mykdavies.seasidehosting.st/resources/seasidepage.png
> > >
> > > I like the bolder colors of the logo and of the site.
> > > I like the seaside logo: it is modern and shows sea and sun. IT
> would
> > > also work well if it needed to be B&W or grayscale at some point.
> > I wonder if the top-logo (star fish + ocean/sun) might look better as
> a
> > real image (e.g. photo) if it wasn't too huge
> > to download and find a nice star fish image to layer on top of the
> left
> > side.. I poked around on images.google.com
> > and also on pbase.com for various things but I suspect it would be
> > better to create an image from scratch using a
> > camera (preferably with a wide-angle lens).. I was thinking of an
> image
> > that would show a tropic beach with the
> > sun in one corner and perhaps a palm tree nearby along with the
> starfish
> > at the far left -- obviously a wide image..
> > Anyway, I'm guessing this will be shot down, but thought I'd throw it
> > out there anyway.. :-)
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Re: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Brad Fuller
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Rick Flower wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>> Michael Davies wrote:
>>> http://mykdavies.seasidehosting.st/resources/seasidepage.png
>>
>> I like the bolder colors of the logo and of the site.
>> I like the seaside logo: it is modern and shows sea and sun. IT would
>> also work well if it needed to be B&W or grayscale at some point.

> I wonder if the top-logo (star fish + ocean/sun) might look better as a
> real image (e.g. photo) if it wasn't too huge
> to download and find a nice star fish image to layer on top of the left
> side.. I poked around on images.google.com
> and also on pbase.com for various things but I suspect it would be
> better to create an image from scratch using a
> camera (preferably with a wide-angle lens).. I was thinking of an image
> that would show a tropic beach with the
> sun in one corner and perhaps a palm tree nearby along with the starfish
> at the far left -- obviously a wide image..
> Anyway, I'm guessing this will be shot down, but thought I'd throw it
> out there anyway.. :-)

The nice thing about photos is that they can transport the viewer to the
scene immediately - if it's executed well. If not, it just sucks.
For the most part, photos are not done well on website, AFAIHS. It would
be a great exercise to add a photo(s) on the site as long as it supports
the concept of the site and is integrated well with the rest of the
design. It needs to be part of the overall design, not an add-on.

I think seaside needs to keep the logo (or create a new one if needed.)
Logos provide immediate recognition of the product or service. Keeping
the current one, and maybe changing the colors or sprucing it up, will
help continue the recognition of seaside.
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Re: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Samuel MORELLO
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I was not far away for the colors :

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/marine_life/starfish/ 
714061_starfish.php?id=714061
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/marine_life/starfish/ 
2604430_beach_scenic.php?id=2604430


Samuel





Le 14 mars 07 à 22:06, Boris Popov a écrit :

> iStockPhoto has a bunch,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yocprv
>
> Cheers!
>
> -Boris
>
> --
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Flower
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:56 PM
>> To: Seaside - general discussion
>> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Call For Design for the Seaside web site
>>
>> Brad Fuller wrote:
>>> Michael Davies wrote:
>>>> Okay, I got my hands dirty...
>>>>
>>>> I looked at the existing logo again and I think it's actually very
>>>> good, so I had a play with the existing seaside page to see if a
> few
>>>> tweaks could start to liven it up.
>>>> I used kuler to touch up the colours - the seaside logo is now in
>>>> Mediterranean colours rather than North Sea colours!
>>>> I used Century Gothic from the logo as the headline font, using
>>>> colours from the palette that I generated in kuler.
>>>> I copied Samuel's idea of a bottom-of-page navigation bar, and
> added
>>>> some other areas of colour to liven the page up.
>>>>
>>>> Now I did all this in a simple image-editing package (Seashore by
>>>> coincidence), so this image isn't great, but I think it shows that
>>>> there's things that could be done with the existing look.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> http://mykdavies.seasidehosting.st/resources/seasidepage.png
>>>
>>> I like the bolder colors of the logo and of the site.
>>> I like the seaside logo: it is modern and shows sea and sun. IT
> would
>>> also work well if it needed to be B&W or grayscale at some point.
>> I wonder if the top-logo (star fish + ocean/sun) might look better as
> a
>> real image (e.g. photo) if it wasn't too huge
>> to download and find a nice star fish image to layer on top of the
> left
>> side.. I poked around on images.google.com
>> and also on pbase.com for various things but I suspect it would be
>> better to create an image from scratch using a
>> camera (preferably with a wide-angle lens).. I was thinking of an
> image
>> that would show a tropic beach with the
>> sun in one corner and perhaps a palm tree nearby along with the
> starfish
>> at the far left -- obviously a wide image..
>> Anyway, I'm guessing this will be shot down, but thought I'd throw it
>> out there anyway.. :-)
>>
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RE: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Ron Teitelbaum
That second photo is really great!

Ron

> From: Samuel MORELLO
>
> I was not far away for the colors :
>
> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/marine_life/starfish/
> 714061_starfish.php?id=714061
> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/marine_life/starfish/
> 2604430_beach_scenic.php?id=2604430
>
>
> Samuel
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 14 mars 07 à 22:06, Boris Popov a écrit :
>
> > iStockPhoto has a bunch,
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yocprv
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > -Boris
> >
> > --
> > +1.604.689.0322
> > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside-
> >> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Flower
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:56 PM
> >> To: Seaside - general discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Call For Design for the Seaside web site
> >>
> >> Brad Fuller wrote:
> >>> Michael Davies wrote:
> >>>> Okay, I got my hands dirty...
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked at the existing logo again and I think it's actually very
> >>>> good, so I had a play with the existing seaside page to see if a
> > few
> >>>> tweaks could start to liven it up.
> >>>> I used kuler to touch up the colours - the seaside logo is now in
> >>>> Mediterranean colours rather than North Sea colours!
> >>>> I used Century Gothic from the logo as the headline font, using
> >>>> colours from the palette that I generated in kuler.
> >>>> I copied Samuel's idea of a bottom-of-page navigation bar, and
> > added
> >>>> some other areas of colour to liven the page up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I did all this in a simple image-editing package (Seashore by
> >>>> coincidence), so this image isn't great, but I think it shows that
> >>>> there's things that could be done with the existing look.
> >>>>
> >>>> So what do people think?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://mykdavies.seasidehosting.st/resources/seasidepage.png
> >>>
> >>> I like the bolder colors of the logo and of the site.
> >>> I like the seaside logo: it is modern and shows sea and sun. IT
> > would
> >>> also work well if it needed to be B&W or grayscale at some point.
> >> I wonder if the top-logo (star fish + ocean/sun) might look better as
> > a
> >> real image (e.g. photo) if it wasn't too huge
> >> to download and find a nice star fish image to layer on top of the
> > left
> >> side.. I poked around on images.google.com
> >> and also on pbase.com for various things but I suspect it would be
> >> better to create an image from scratch using a
> >> camera (preferably with a wide-angle lens).. I was thinking of an
> > image
> >> that would show a tropic beach with the
> >> sun in one corner and perhaps a palm tree nearby along with the
> > starfish
> >> at the far left -- obviously a wide image..
> >> Anyway, I'm guessing this will be shot down, but thought I'd throw it
> >> out there anyway.. :-)
> >>
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RE: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Sebastian Sastre-2
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Both photos are very nice. Te second has more strenght,

        cheers,

Sebastian Sastre

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre
> de Samuel MORELLO
> Enviado el: Jueves, 15 de Marzo de 2007 02:59
> Para: Seaside - general discussion
> Asunto: Re: [Seaside] Call For Design for the Seaside web site
>
> I was not far away for the colors :
>
> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/marine_life/starfish/
> 714061_starfish.php?id=714061
> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/animals/marine_life/starfish/
> 2604430_beach_scenic.php?id=2604430
>
>
> Samuel
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 14 mars 07 à 22:06, Boris Popov a écrit :
>
> > iStockPhoto has a bunch,
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yocprv
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > -Boris
> >
> > --
> > +1.604.689.0322
> > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside-
> >> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Flower
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:56 PM
> >> To: Seaside - general discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Call For Design for the Seaside web site
> >>
> >> Brad Fuller wrote:
> >>> Michael Davies wrote:
> >>>> Okay, I got my hands dirty...
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked at the existing logo again and I think it's
> actually very
> >>>> good, so I had a play with the existing seaside page to see if a
> > few
> >>>> tweaks could start to liven it up.
> >>>> I used kuler to touch up the colours - the seaside logo
> is now in
> >>>> Mediterranean colours rather than North Sea colours!
> >>>> I used Century Gothic from the logo as the headline font, using
> >>>> colours from the palette that I generated in kuler.
> >>>> I copied Samuel's idea of a bottom-of-page navigation bar, and
> > added
> >>>> some other areas of colour to liven the page up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I did all this in a simple image-editing package
> (Seashore by
> >>>> coincidence), so this image isn't great, but I think it
> shows that
> >>>> there's things that could be done with the existing look.
> >>>>
> >>>> So what do people think?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://mykdavies.seasidehosting.st/resources/seasidepage.png
> >>>
> >>> I like the bolder colors of the logo and of the site.
> >>> I like the seaside logo: it is modern and shows sea and sun. IT
> > would
> >>> also work well if it needed to be B&W or grayscale at some point.
> >> I wonder if the top-logo (star fish + ocean/sun) might
> look better as
> > a
> >> real image (e.g. photo) if it wasn't too huge to download
> and find a
> >> nice star fish image to layer on top of the
> > left
> >> side.. I poked around on images.google.com and also on
> pbase.com for
> >> various things but I suspect it would be better to create an image
> >> from scratch using a camera (preferably with a wide-angle
> lens).. I
> >> was thinking of an
> > image
> >> that would show a tropic beach with the sun in one corner
> and perhaps
> >> a palm tree nearby along with the
> > starfish
> >> at the far left -- obviously a wide image..
> >> Anyway, I'm guessing this will be shot down, but thought
> I'd throw it
> >> out there anyway.. :-)
> >>
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RE: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Ramon Leon-5
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> That second photo is really great!
>
> Ron

Ditto!  Great pic.

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Michael Davies-2
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Okay, as there seems to be interest in re-working the current look,
I'll try to produce a working page based on the ideas in the mockup
image. This will be over the weekend, so if anyone has any other
feedback, please let me know.
Avi, do you have access to the original artwork in a form that the
Gimp can manipulate?

Apologies for posting out of sequence all the time, but I only follow
this group by digest.

Thanks
Michael
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Lukas Renggli
> Avi, do you have access to the original artwork in a form that the
> Gimp can manipulate?

I don't have the vector graphic, but I redraw it a long time ago in
Inkscape for one of my presentations. Now I've also created some small
examples that just use its shape, I would prefer something simple like
this.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Re: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Lukas Renggli
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> As i purpose last time, i have made a proposal for the design of the
> seaside site. You can find it here: http://seaside.ouvanous.com

I asked a usability expert from Bern, Simon Raess, about his opinion
on the proposed design. He writes (I translated it to english):

- I like the design, but also have to mention that design is not my
speciality. I especially like the fading vertical lines and the
diagonal text graphics (seaside, download) that give the site a
distinct look. From the color point of view I like the gree and dark
blue (good contrast), light blue and orange looks fresh and maybe a
little bit intruding. Fits well the spring. The only thing that bugs
me is the combination of orange and red. I would try to make lighter
stripes, e.g. orange-yello or orange-white.

- The main navigation is not immediately recognizable as that. The
problem is probably the fixed size of the columns: the distance
between long and short words is very different and therefor cannot be
seen as an entity. People will think that the navigation items are
column titles. A possible solution would be to have the navigation
separate and give the columns a title on their own.

- The design is too wide. On a 1024 screen one has to scroll horizontally.

- The different links are unclear: there are dark blue underlined
ones, light blue underlined ones with a minus (-), light blue
underlined ones with a plus (+), and clickable titles and images. It
is not clear what the difference is and where do they point to
(download).

- The meta navigation (login, edit, ...) is very hidden, especially
because there is enough space in the orange part (lr: I don't think
this is a problem, as the meta navigation (or the pier commands) are
only needed for editors).

- The mixture of upper/lower case writing is unclear. Moreover the
mixture between lower case writing, normal and italic writing is
strange. It is difficult to see what belongs together.

Summary from the expert: Graphically I find the proposal very good.
The usability glitches should be easily fixable.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Re: Call For Design for the Seaside web site

Michael Davies-2
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I've had a play around and created a page very closely based on the
existing seaside.st homepage layout, to allow everyone to see what
effect changing the colours and logos would have. There are three
stylesheets you can apply which treat the logo differently - the
starfish is the default, with two uses of the wave logo. I must admit
that I think the starfish looks nice and clean...

It's at http://mykdavies.seasidehosting.st/resources/Seaside_Seaside.html
- please have a look and let me know what you think
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