Gentlefolk:
I am entering the field of programming having no prior experience. I'm not a kid, age-wise, anyway. It seems every programming language I have encountered makes assumptions about my prior knowledge, (that I have some), and the teachers of these languages use strange and alien terminology to describe actions that I am already unfamiliar with. The teachers, (online tutorial writers), use terminology that is familiar to themselves to explain new concepts, but is unfamiliar and vague to me. For these reasons I am looking toward using the EToys, children's software, as a means to obtain a total introduction to programming, in general, and to Squeak, specifically. Is this the self-education route I should take, or is there a better "adult" pathway for learning? I actually wish that EToys was introduced and structured so that it specifically was aimed at teaching me to program rather than to teach me Mathematics and Science. But maybe it will do both. Please let me know, Greg Smith _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
Hi Greg --
Please tell me more about your aspirations. There are a number of styles of programming, and there are a number of programming languages, each of which addresses one or more styles. Squeak Etoys is a style that we made up based on 35 years of experience working with children. We have had very good results with 8-12 year olds over the last 10 years, and this has accounted for its spread around the world. If you did a few things in Etoys, you would be (a) programming, and (b) get some of the feel of being able to make dynamic constructions via programming (c) be learning a few things that would transfer to other programming languages (the overlap is not large though). I strongly suggest that you get the book "Powerful Ideas in the Classroom" by B-J Allen-Conn and Kim Rose (available through the website or at Amazon). This plus other materials on the website should help get you launched. Squeak is an open source version of the Xerox PARC Smalltalk (from the late 70s) that we made as a general tool for constructing large scale designs. It is very powerful, but the introductions are certainly more geeky than you might like. Cheers, Alan At 05:07 PM 7/6/2006, Greg Smith wrote: >Gentlefolk: > >I am entering the field of programming having no prior experience. >I'm not a kid, age-wise, anyway. It seems every programming language >I have encountered makes assumptions about my prior knowledge, (that >I have some), and the teachers of these languages use strange and >alien terminology to describe actions that I am already unfamiliar >with. The teachers, (online tutorial writers), use terminology that >is familiar to themselves to explain new concepts, but is unfamiliar >and vague to me. > >For these reasons I am looking toward using the EToys, children's >software, as a means to obtain a total introduction to programming, >in general, and to Squeak, specifically. Is this the self-education >route I should take, or is there a better "adult" pathway for learning? > >I actually wish that EToys was introduced and structured so that it >specifically was aimed at teaching me to program rather than to teach >me Mathematics and Science. But maybe it will do both. > >Please let me know, > >Greg Smith > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >[hidden email] >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Hi Gregory, I have used Squeak for teaching introductory programming to university students in a open course in the Science Faculty in the Javeriana University. In this course we work with students of different semesters and disciplines and Squeak was a nice solution to the problems that we face in the transition for a close course for only Informatics ("computer science") students to an open one. Previously we have tried Scheme and Python with good results, but in a more open environment like this one, squeak works better for us. This was the route we following (most of the students has no prior programming experience or vocabulary). * We start with some context and background information about Squeak history. In my own experience, knowing the history, the "whys", lets you know more motivated about the language itself and its "what for"s * We continue with the World metaphor, just seing quickly how this works. * Then we create a presentation over any theme the students choose using the bookmorph. That was nice because in established "continuity" between the rest of the world and the classroom. Students could see how Squeak could help them with the activities they are already doing with computers in some different way, giving them added value at the same time we some concepts about aggregation, inheritance and encapsulation in this activity, in that way we're not having and split between concepts and their everyday application. Some of the students start to use Squeak to make living presentations in other classes with pretty good results (their teachers only knew Power Point, so that presentations of my students were visually appealing over the ones of their classmates and even their teachers). * After that we start with small scripts which just change the behavior of few object and they start to enjoy "Drag & Drop Programming" in squeak, they understand the basic concepts, can use them, but they're not afraid of the code. * Then we go for a more difficult task reproducing their first Etoy, with the game of addings, again the idea is to see what others create with squeak and then they make their own Etoy. In this, they start to see how the code works behind scenes and we start with grammar and syntax of Squeak, starting to show how elegantly smalltalk implements the ideas of OOP with its easy to understand syntax and the idea of Object + Messages. Because this was a preliminary experience, finding the path takes time and that's where we come this time, in the next semester I hope to see some active essays also and more syntax. As you see, we're working at the same time with concepts and programming, correlated one with other, in a progressive way and squeak is a so rich environment that you can choose the path you like, even with no prior knowledge or vocabulary. Finding your way could take you time, but the nice thing about community is that we're here to share experience, making, maybe, things easier for you. Some documentation about the experience, including readings and activities can be found here (is in spanish, but hey, we, the spanish speakers, are reading english centered documentation almost all the time, so is time to produce local language docs): http://www.eduwiki.info/IntroduccionInformatica/Squeak/Actividades http://www.eduwiki.info/IntroduccionInformatica/Squeak I hope that helps, Offray Greg Smith escribió: > Gentlefolk: > > I am entering the field of programming having no prior experience. > I'm not a kid, age-wise, anyway. It seems every programming language > I have encountered makes assumptions about my prior knowledge, (that > I have some), and the teachers of these languages use strange and > alien terminology to describe actions that I am already unfamiliar > with. The teachers, (online tutorial writers), use terminology that > is familiar to themselves to explain new concepts, but is unfamiliar > and vague to me. > > For these reasons I am looking toward using the EToys, children's > software, as a means to obtain a total introduction to programming, > in general, and to Squeak, specifically. Is this the self-education > route I should take, or is there a better "adult" pathway for learning? > > I actually wish that EToys was introduced and structured so that it > specifically was aimed at teaching me to program rather than to teach > me Mathematics and Science. But maybe it will do both. > > Please let me know, > > Greg Smith > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > [hidden email] > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > ___________________________________ AVISO LEGAL: El presente correo electronico no representa la opinion o el consentimiento oficial de la PONTIFICIA UNIVERSIDAD JAVERIANA. 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