Can I make a window outside of the "world?"
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Can I make a window outside of the "world?"
 
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Hi all.
I'd like to make an operating system window, that can go outside of the "world." I found a nice Sample Image Viewer by Michael Davies. It uses a SystemWindow, but it also is constrained to be within the Squeak box. Do you understand what I am thinking of? Is it possible? Regards, Rick _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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I know it's possible. I don't know that it's easy. There's a screenshot of a host window working on Pharo here...
I think you maybe want to google on Host Window Plugin, I can't recall off the top of my head what it's called for sure, but I think that's it. What happens for a lot of folks, is we get over the difference and want to be in Squeak full screen all the time, because host windows don't really do much, and a SystemWindow, with some effort, will do the hokey pokey and turn itself around for you, I mean literally if you wanted to you could put legs on it and make it dance. The sky isn't the limit with Morphic, it's lower than that, but not much.
Another thing worth looking at in the interop department is VNC. It basically lets you do a video mode connection to another machine from within Squeak. In Croquet/Cobalt (and Teleplace,) people use this stuff for opening up Excel spreadsheets and Web browsers from within collaborative 3d virtual worlds. It's wild fun stuff:)
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Rick H. <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi all. -- Casey Ransberger _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > > I know it's possible. I don't know that it's easy. There's a screenshot of a host window working on Pharo here... > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3862 > > I think you maybe want to google on Host Window Plugin, I can't recall off the top of my head what it's called for sure, but I think that's it. What happens for a lot of folks, is we get over the difference and want to be in Squeak full screen all the time, because host windows don't really do much, and a SystemWindow, with some effort, will do the hokey pokey and turn itself around for you, I mean literally if you wanted to you could put legs on it and make it dance. The sky isn't the limit with Morphic, it's lower than that, but not much. > > Another thing worth looking at in the interop department is VNC. It basically lets you do a video mode connection to another machine from within Squeak. In Croquet/Cobalt (and Teleplace,) people use this stuff for opening up Excel spreadsheets and Web browsers from within collaborative 3d virtual worlds. It's wild fun stuff:) > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Rick H. <cubsno1 <at> gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all. > I'd like to make an operating system window, that can go outside of > the "world." I found a nice Sample Image Viewer by Michael Davies. It uses a > SystemWindow, but it also is constrained to be within the Squeak box. Do you > understand what I am thinking of? Is it possible? > Regards, Rick > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing listBeginners <at> lists.squeakfoundation.orghttp://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/be ginners > > > -- Casey Ransberger > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners <at> lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > Interesting! If it's not extremely straightforward, maybe I'm going about this in the wrong way. I'm trying to make an "application" that a person could run like any other "application" on their desktop. They wouldn't necessarily even know that it's Squeak, except the window might not look exactly like other operating system windows. But maybe people expand their morphs to occupy the whole world, and insist that their morph stay on top, and call that it. ? Regards, Rick _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Hi Rick,
RH> But maybe people expand their morphs to occupy the whole world, and insist RH> that their morph stay on top, and call that it. ? in the Morph's step method you can either set the World's extent to the Morph's extent so when the user resizes the Squeak window, it resizes to the Morph's size when the user lets go. Or you resize the Morph's extent to the world's extent so it stays full Window size. Or do a combination so the Window can't be made too small for the morph. To give an example for the first case from a very old image (but it should still work): DayfilesAppUi>>step "keep the Squeak window sized" World extent = clientAreaSize "a point, set somewhere in init" ifFalse: [DisplayScreen depth: DisplayScreen actualScreenDepth width: clientAreaSize x height: clientAreaSize y fullscreen: false. self extent: World extent; layoutChanged]. self position = (0@0) ifFalse: [self position: 0@0] Oh, and you need a stepTime method to return the number of milliseconds between sends of step. -- Cheers, Herbert _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On 07.04.2011, at 04:25, Rick H. wrote: > Hi all. > > I'd like to make an operating system window, that can go outside of > the "world." I found a nice Sample Image Viewer by Michael Davies. It uses a > SystemWindow, but it also is constrained to be within the Squeak box. Do you > understand what I am thinking of? Is it possible? Everything is possible ;) But it is not supported out-of-the-box. There are several experiments, but nobody is using them for production AFAIK. Smalltalk used to be the sole operating system of the machine. The whole idea of extending screen real estate with overlapping windows came from Smalltalk originally, after all. The spirit of doing everything inside that single system still lives on, though it has become weaker over time. Many Squeak developers value that it looks and behaves identically across platforms, and that everything is changeable. Using OS windows and widgets would go against that, and so none of the native UI extensions got much traction in the community. - Bert - _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Ah. If you need more than one native window, you'll need the host window plugin. It sounds like maybe, though, you're just wanting to fill the whole Morphic world with your app?
If you're after the latter, it will help to understand how to get at the Morphic world programmatically. It's also worth knowing that the world is an instance of PasteUpMorph, so you can look up methods and such. Try stuff like Project current world explore. Project current world height. Project current world width. I don't have squeak handy! So don't quote me on these snippets, you may have to poke around a bit. Hope this helps! On Apr 7, 2011, at 3:46 AM, Rick H. <[hidden email]> wrote: > Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r <at> gmail.com> writes: > >> >> >> I know it's possible. I don't know that it's easy. There's a screenshot of a > host window working on Pharo here... >> >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3862 >> >> I think you maybe want to google on Host Window Plugin, I can't recall off > the top of my head what it's called for sure, but I think that's it. What > happens for a lot of folks, is we get over the difference and want to be in > Squeak full screen all the time, because host windows don't really do much, > and a SystemWindow, with some effort, will do the hokey pokey and turn itself > around for you, I mean literally if you wanted to you could put legs on it and > make it dance. The sky isn't the limit with Morphic, it's lower than that, but > not much. >> >> Another thing worth looking at in the interop department is VNC. It > basically lets you do a video mode connection to another machine from within > Squeak. In Croquet/Cobalt (and Teleplace,) people use this stuff for opening > up Excel spreadsheets and Web browsers from within collaborative 3d virtual > worlds. It's wild fun stuff:) >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Rick H. <cubsno1 <at> gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all. >> I'd like to make an operating system window, that can go outside of >> the "world." I found a nice Sample Image Viewer by Michael Davies. It uses > a >> SystemWindow, but it also is constrained to be within the Squeak box. Do you >> understand what I am thinking of? Is it possible? >> Regards, Rick >> _______________________________________________ >> Beginners mailing listBeginners <at> > lists.squeakfoundation.orghttp://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/be > ginners >> >> >> -- Casey Ransberger >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beginners mailing list >> Beginners <at> lists.squeakfoundation.org >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners >> > > > Interesting! If it's not extremely straightforward, maybe I'm going about > this in the wrong way. I'm trying to make an "application" that a person > could run like any other "application" on their desktop. They wouldn't > necessarily even know that it's Squeak, except the window might not look > exactly like other operating system windows. > > But maybe people expand their morphs to occupy the whole world, and insist > that their morph stay on top, and call that it. ? > > Regards, Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Rick H. wrote:
> I'm trying to make an "application" that a person > could run like any other "application" on their desktop. They wouldn't > necessarily even know that it's Squeak, except the window might not look > exactly like other operating system windows. > > But maybe people expand their morphs to occupy the whole world, and insist > that their morph stay on top, and call that it. ? > Have you seen the LaserGame tutorial ? http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/ See Section 6. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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