Cannot search Projects or Versions on SqueakSource3

> Chris,
>
> Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha status of ss3.
>
> One of these days I will find the time to optimize the project search among other things .... In the past when my time has opened up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked like SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>
> Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to come online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
> | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
> | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
> | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
> | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on SqueakSource3
> |
> | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems to hang
> | > the
> | > browser rather than producing no results.
> |
> | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came back.  It
> | took > 60 seconds.
> |
>

> Chris,
>
> Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>
> Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>
> github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>
> Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is superior to anything we have.
>
> Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a good thing...

> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
> | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> | <[hidden email]>
> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on   SqueakSource3
> |
> | Chris,
> |
> | One other point that may not be clear ...
> |
> | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I administer
> | the ss3 site.
> |
> | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
> | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
> |
> | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking about
> | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
> | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take on
> | that job ....
> |
> | Dale
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
> | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> | | <[hidden email]>
> | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
> | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
> | |     SqueakSource3
> | |
> | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
> | | on-line?
> | |
> | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]>
> | | wrote:
> | | > Chris,
> | | >
> | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha status
> | | > of ss3.
> | | >
> | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the project
> | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
> | | > opened
> | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked like
> | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
> | | >
> | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to come
> | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
> | | >
> | | > Dale
> | | >
> | | > ----- Original Message -----
> | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
> | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
> | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
> | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
> | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
> | | > | SqueakSource3
> | | > |
> | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems to
> | | > | > hang
> | | > | > the
> | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
> | | > |
> | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came back.
> | | > |  It
> | | > | took > 60 seconds.
> | | > |
> | | >
> | |
> | |
> |
> |
>

> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration and in-image support for git operations.
>
> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating Metacello and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few things that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for primetime...
>
> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with this yet ...
>
> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to put up with a few hardships:)
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>
> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <[hidden email]>
> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on   SqueakSource3
> |
> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
> | > Chris,
> | >
> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
> | >
> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
> | >
> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
> | >
> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
> | > superior to anything we have.
> | >
> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
> | > good thing...
> |
> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
> | repository.
> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
> | and get continuous integration for free.
> |
> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
> |
> | frank
> |
> | > Dale
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
> | > | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose
> | > | Squeak developers list"
> | > | <[hidden email]>
> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
> | > | on   SqueakSource3
> | > |
> | > | Chris,
> | > |
> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
> | > |
> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
> | > | administer
> | > | the ss3 site.
> | > |
> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
> | > |
> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
> | > | about
> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
> | > | on
> | > | that job ....
> | > |
> | > | Dale
> | > |
> | > | ----- Original Message -----
> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> | > | | <[hidden email]>
> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
> | > | | Versions on
> | > | |     SqueakSource3
> | > | |
> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
> | > | | on-line?
> | > | |
> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
> | > | | <[hidden email]>
> | > | | wrote:
> | > | | > Chris,
> | > | | >
> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
> | > | | > status
> | > | | > of ss3.
> | > | | >
> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
> | > | | > project
> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
> | > | | > opened
> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
> | > | | > like
> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
> | > | | >
> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
> | > | | > come
> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
> | > | | >
> | > | | > Dale
> | > | | >
> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
> | > | | > |
> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
> | > | | > | > to
> | > | | > | > hang
> | > | | > | > the
> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
> | > | | > |
> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
> | > | | > | back.
> | > | | > |  It
> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
> | > | | > |
> | > | | >
> | > | |
> | > | |
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> |
> |
>

>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration and
>> in-image support for git operations.
>>
>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating Metacello
>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few things
>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>> primetime...
>>
>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>> this yet ...
>>
>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>
>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>> SqueakSource3
>> |
>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> | > Chris,
>> | >
>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>> | >
>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>> | >
>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>> | >
>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>> | > superior to anything we have.
>> | >
>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>> | > good thing...
>> |
>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>> | repository.
>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>> |
>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>> |
>> | frank
>> |
>> | > Dale
>> | >
>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose
>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>> | > | <[hidden email]>
>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>> | > |
>> | > | Chris,
>> | > |
>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>> | > |
>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>> | > | administer
>> | > | the ss3 site.
>> | > |
>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>> | > |
>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>> | > | about
>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>> | > | on
>> | > | that job ....
>> | > |
>> | > | Dale
>> | > |
>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>> | > | | Versions on
>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>> | > | |
>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>> | > | | on-line?
>> | > | |
>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>> | > | | wrote:
>> | > | | > Chris,
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>> | > | | > status
>> | > | | > of ss3.
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>> | > | | > project
>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>> | > | | > opened
>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>> | > | | > like
>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>> | > | | > come
>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > Dale
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>> | > | | > |
>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>> | > | | > | > to
>> | > | | > | > hang
>> | > | | > | > the
>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>> | > | | > |
>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>> | > | | > | back.
>> | > | | > |  It
>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>> | > | | > |
>> | > | | >
>> | > | |
>> | > | |
>> | > |
>> | > |
>> | >
>> |
>> |
>>
>
>

> On 1/3/13, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks Dale.  I'm looking forward to when your work is ready for
>> primetime.  1M users means nothing to me (how else could we use
>> Smalltalk if it did?),
>
> The number as such is of some significance that we can expose our work
> to a large audience.
>
> Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.
>
> https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
>
> Otherwise I agree with you.
>
>
>> but some of the functionality; the idea of
>> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other forks,
>> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.
>
> Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at the
> moment is weak.
>
> www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.
>
> ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.

>
> If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
> Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code management.
>
> And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is weak as well.
> Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
> something but in the end he does is very small.
>
> And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is great news.
>
> I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
> become very useful
> tool again. In particular in connection with github.
>
> We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
> fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
> transition for Squeak programmers.
>
> And then start using FileTree of course.
>
>
> --Hannes
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration and
>>> in-image support for git operations.
>>>
>>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating Metacello
>>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few things
>>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>>> primetime...
>>>
>>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>>> this yet ...
>>>
>>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>
>>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>> SqueakSource3
>>> |
>>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> | > Chris,
>>> | >
>>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>>> | >
>>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>>> | >
>>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>>> | >
>>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>>> | > superior to anything we have.
>>> | >
>>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>>> | > good thing...
>>> |
>>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>>> | repository.
>>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>>> |
>>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>>> |
>>> | frank
>>> |
>>> | > Dale
>>> | >
>>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose
>>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>>> | > | <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>>> | > |
>>> | > | Chris,
>>> | > |
>>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>>> | > |
>>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>>> | > | administer
>>> | > | the ss3 site.
>>> | > |
>>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>>> | > |
>>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>>> | > | about
>>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>>> | > | on
>>> | > | that job ....
>>> | > |
>>> | > | Dale
>>> | > |
>>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>>> | > | | Versions on
>>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>>> | > | | on-line?
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | wrote:
>>> | > | | > Chris,
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>>> | > | | > status
>>> | > | | > of ss3.
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>>> | > | | > project
>>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>>> | > | | > opened
>>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>>> | > | | > like
>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>>> | > | | > come
>>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Dale
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>>> | > | | > | > to
>>> | > | | > | > hang
>>> | > | | > | > the
>>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>>> | > | | > | back.
>>> | > | | > |  It
>>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | |
>>> | > |
>>> | > |
>>> | >
>>> |
>>> |

> Hey Hannes
>
> Am 03.01.2013 um 21:05 schrieb H. Hirzel:
>
>> On 1/3/13, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Thanks Dale.  I'm looking forward to when your work is ready for
>>> primetime.  1M users means nothing to me (how else could we use
>>> Smalltalk if it did?),
>>
>> The number as such is of some significance that we can expose our work
>> to a large audience.
>>
>> Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.
>>
>> https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
>>
>> Otherwise I agree with you.
>>
>>
>>> but some of the functionality; the idea of
>>> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other forks,
>>> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.
>>
>> Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at the
>> moment is weak.
>>
>> www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.
>>
>> ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.
>
> Well, I'd consider it already Beta, if not Release candidate…
>
>>
>> Smalltalkhub does not have enough people to work on it.
>>
>> No RESTful URL's
>
> Not true for ss3.
> They might not be as full-fledget REST as other
> Products out there, but usable.
>
> Best
> -Tobias
>
>>
>> If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
>> Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code management.
>>
>> And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is weak as
>> well.
>> Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
>> something but in the end he does is very small.
>>
>> And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is great
>> news.
>>
>> I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
>> become very useful
>> tool again. In particular in connection with github.
>>
>> We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
>> fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
>> transition for Squeak programmers.
>>
>> And then start using FileTree of course.
>>
>>
>> --Hannes
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration
>>>> and
>>>> in-image support for git operations.
>>>>
>>>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating
>>>> Metacello
>>>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few
>>>> things
>>>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>>>> primetime...
>>>>
>>>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>>>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>>>> this yet ...
>>>>
>>>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>>>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>>>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>>> SqueakSource3
>>>> |
>>>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> | > Chris,
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>>>> | >
>>>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>>>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>>>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>>>> | > superior to anything we have.
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>>>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>>>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>>>> | > good thing...
>>>> |
>>>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>>>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>>>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>>>> | repository.
>>>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>>>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>>>> |
>>>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>>>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>>>> |
>>>> | frank
>>>> |
>>>> | > Dale
>>>> | >
>>>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose
>>>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>>>> | > | <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>>>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>>>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | Chris,
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>>>> | > | administer
>>>> | > | the ss3 site.
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>>>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>>>> | > | about
>>>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>>>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>>>> | > | on
>>>> | > | that job ....
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | Dale
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>>>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>>>> | > | | Versions on
>>>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>>>> | > | | on-line?
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | wrote:
>>>> | > | | > Chris,
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>>>> | > | | > status
>>>> | > | | > of ss3.
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>>>> | > | | > project
>>>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>>>> | > | | > opened
>>>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>>>> | > | | > like
>>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>>>> | > | | > come
>>>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > Dale
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>>>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>>>> | > | | > |
>>>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>>>> | > | | > | > to
>>>> | > | | > | > hang
>>>> | > | | > | > the
>>>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>>>> | > | | > |
>>>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>>>> | > | | > | back.
>>>> | > | | > |  It
>>>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>>>> | > | | > |
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > |
>>>> | >
>>>> |
>>>> |
>
>
>
>

> Hallo Tobias
>
> Thank you for pointing out that SS3 is RESTful.
>
> Yes maybe.
>
> http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/xmlsupport.html/Overview?_s=8Udu9wSIHNxuiU_m&_k=GkYcadVJYXsxRUx8
>
> for example goes to
>   XMLSupport
>
> I copied the url from Firefox to IE and the same page showed up.
>
> And as it has over 500 members and 600 projects and has been running
> the core functions for storing code are surely not alpha. I assume it
> is labeled like that because for example sorting according to number
> of downloads does not work.

> Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.
>
> https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
>
> Otherwise I agree with you.
>
>
>> but some of the functionality; the idea of
>> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other forks,
>> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.
>
> Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at the
> moment is weak.
>
> www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.
>
> ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.
>
> Smalltalkhub does not have enough people to work on it.
>
> No RESTful URL's
>
> If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
> Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code management.
>
> And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is weak as well.
> Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
> something but in the end he does is very small.
>
> And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is great news.
>
> I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
> become very useful
> tool again. In particular in connection with github.
>
> We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
> fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
> transition for Squeak programmers.
>
> And then start using FileTree of course.
>
>
> --Hannes
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration and
>>> in-image support for git operations.
>>>
>>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating Metacello
>>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few things
>>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>>> primetime...
>>>
>>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>>> this yet ...
>>>
>>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>
>>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>> SqueakSource3
>>> |
>>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> | > Chris,
>>> | >
>>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>>> | >
>>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>>> | >
>>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>>> | >
>>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>>> | > superior to anything we have.
>>> | >
>>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>>> | > good thing...
>>> |
>>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>>> | repository.
>>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>>> |
>>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>>> |
>>> | frank
>>> |
>>> | > Dale
>>> | >
>>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose
>>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>>> | > | <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>>> | > |
>>> | > | Chris,
>>> | > |
>>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>>> | > |
>>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>>> | > | administer
>>> | > | the ss3 site.
>>> | > |
>>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>>> | > |
>>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>>> | > | about
>>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>>> | > | on
>>> | > | that job ....
>>> | > |
>>> | > | Dale
>>> | > |
>>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>>> | > | | Versions on
>>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>>> | > | | on-line?
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | wrote:
>>> | > | | > Chris,
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>>> | > | | > status
>>> | > | | > of ss3.
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>>> | > | | > project
>>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>>> | > | | > opened
>>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>>> | > | | > like
>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>>> | > | | > come
>>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Dale
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>>> | > | | > | > to
>>> | > | | > | > hang
>>> | > | | > | > the
>>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>>> | > | | > | back.
>>> | > | | > |  It
>>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | |
>>> | > |
>>> | > |
>>> | >
>>> |
>>> |
>>>
>>
>>

> Am 04.01.2013 um 18:07 schrieb Chris Muller <[hidden email]>:
>
>>> Contrariwise to Chris a test  search for a project with 'XML' gave
>>> results. But it took maybe 40 seconds (just an estimate).
>>
>> No, that's my experience as well.  But I was also wanting to search
>> for *Versions* of a particular project, which does not seem to work at
>> all.
>
> Well, could you please file a bug at
> https://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/
> lest we forget it?
>
> Best
>         -Tobias
>

>> The number as such is of some significance that we can expose our work
>> to a large audience.
>
> Yes, I should not have said "nothing".  I just inadvertently
> overstated what I think should be the focus if we are to achieve
> escape-velocity to break us away from our current MC paradigm --
> namely that it can't be a "compromise" to our overall SCM capability,
> it must be an ^improvement^ even in from strictly a Smalltalk
> development perspective.  Which, it sounds like, Dale has almost
> achieved that goal, so exposure to 1M users will be great icing.
>
>
>> Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.
>>
>> https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
>>
>> Otherwise I agree with you.
>>
>>
>>> but some of the functionality; the idea of
>>> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other forks,
>>> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.
>>
>> Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at the
>> moment is weak.
>>
>> www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.
>>
>> ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.
>>
>> Smalltalkhub does not have enough people to work on it.
>>
>> No RESTful URL's
>>
>> If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
>> Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code management.
>>
>> And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is weak as
>> well.
>> Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
>> something but in the end he does is very small.
>>
>> And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is great
>> news.
>>
>> I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
>> become very useful
>> tool again. In particular in connection with github.
>>
>> We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
>> fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
>> transition for Squeak programmers.
>>
>> And then start using FileTree of course.
>>
>>
>> --Hannes
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration
>>>> and
>>>> in-image support for git operations.
>>>>
>>>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating
>>>> Metacello
>>>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few
>>>> things
>>>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>>>> primetime...
>>>>
>>>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>>>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>>>> this yet ...
>>>>
>>>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>>>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>>>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>>> SqueakSource3
>>>> |
>>>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> | > Chris,
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>>>> | >
>>>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>>>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>>>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>>>> | > superior to anything we have.
>>>> | >
>>>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>>>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>>>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>>>> | > good thing...
>>>> |
>>>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>>>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>>>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>>>> | repository.
>>>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>>>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>>>> |
>>>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>>>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>>>> |
>>>> | frank
>>>> |
>>>> | > Dale
>>>> | >
>>>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <[hidden email]>, "The general-purpose
>>>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>>>> | > | <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>>>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>>>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | Chris,
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>>>> | > | administer
>>>> | > | the ss3 site.
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>>>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>>>> | > | about
>>>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>>>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>>>> | > | on
>>>> | > | that job ....
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | Dale
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>>>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>>>> | > | | Versions on
>>>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>>>> | > | | on-line?
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>>>> | > | | <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | wrote:
>>>> | > | | > Chris,
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>>>> | > | | > status
>>>> | > | | > of ss3.
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>>>> | > | | > project
>>>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>>>> | > | | > opened
>>>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>>>> | > | | > like
>>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>>>> | > | | > come
>>>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > Dale
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>
>>>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>>>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>>>> | > | | > |
>>>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>>>> | > | | > | > to
>>>> | > | | > | > hang
>>>> | > | | > | > the
>>>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>>>> | > | | > |
>>>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>>>> | > | | > | back.
>>>> | > | | > |  It
>>>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>>>> | > | | > |
>>>> | > | | >
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > | |
>>>> | > |
>>>> | > |
>>>> | >
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>