Commit messages revisited

 >Is developing Squeak implying using and programming in Squeak?
 >If yes, then why you think that this list is wrong place for that? :)

Of course it is. But it still is the wrong place. Core developers are  
few
and experienced and can be trusted to configure email readers :)

People new to squeak use the list archives (web interface without a  
filter).

The message these lists send to people new to squeak is:
- there is no activity on beginners (and I am an experienced developer
in ..., so that list is not for me)
- squeak dev is a core developers list, and there is an active core team
and very little actual users.

 >There is one problem which we had in the past: a team of dedicated
 >people doing a black voodoo behind the scenes, and nobody aware what
 >exactly they doing, and then when they finally made a release, the got
 >burned because of major unacceptance among community.
 >What you think , in order to prevent that in future, wouldn't it
 >better to make a development process as much as open as possible?

This is not open. It is spam. The community does not read commit  
messages
or the reactions on them, it just ignores them. Non-core developers  
simply
don't have the time to read all of this, and have no way to decide  
what to read
and what not. What is important?  It is up to the core developers to  
explain
the choices, sollicit comments, and make and document  their decisions.
That is where an open development proces comes from. If you want a
reaction from Dan, ask him.

Stephan Eggermont

>>>>> "Stephan" == Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> writes:

Stephan> This is not open. It is spam. The community does not read commit
Stephan> messages or the reactions on them, it just ignores them.

This is false.  There are clearly exceptions to what you just said.

If you replace "the community" with "stephan eggermont", it's a lot
more true.  But you're just a *part* of the community.

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2009/10/23 Randal L. Schwartz <[hidden email]>:
My opinion, that decision upon whether 'spam' the list with bot
messages or not should be up to the
people who are contributing, participating and helping Squeak move
forward, not those who just stick around.

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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

>  >What you think , in order to prevent that in future, wouldn't it
>  >better to make a development process as much as open as possible?
>
> This is not open. It is spam.

It is spam just as much as you are a troll. Doesn't feel nice, does it ?

Many different kinds of people share Squeak, and this list. Let's accept
each other, and each other's interests.

Stef

Stephan Eggermont wrote:

Clearly spam is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

Chalk me up on the "keep commit messages in squeak-dev" side, even
though I'm more of one of Igor's "those who stick around" group!

frank