Craig ported Flow to Squeak 3.9

Hi--

     After I announced to the Squeak and Spoon lists a few weeks ago
that I had ported Flow to Squeak 3.9 as part of my Spoon work, many
people have asked whether I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. :)

     Well, here goes one more time:

     I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one may speak
to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM
(including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.

     http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current


     thanks!

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Ok we all missed the announce.
did you fix the VM simulator for 3.9?

Stef

On 3 mai 07, at 20:44, Craig Latta wrote:

> Ok we all missed the announce.

     No. :)

> did you fix the VM simulator for 3.9?

     Yes.


     thanks again,

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

On 5/3/07, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:

>      I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one may speak
> to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon VM
> (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
>
>      http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current

So if I have a Squeak 3.9 image, and I want to load Flow into it, what do I do?

Avi

Hi Avi--

> > I have ported Flow to Squeak 3.9. I did this so that one may speak
> > to a Spoon system from a Squeak 3.9 system, and simulate the Spoon
> > VM (including network support) from a Squeak 3.9 simulator.
> >
> > http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current
>
> So if I have a Squeak 3.9 image, and I want to load Flow into it, what
> do I do?

     Before I answer that, I want you to answer the following question
honestly:

     Did you download the release and read the README?


     thanks,

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Criag

I'm confused. Do you have new primitives?

Stef

On 4 mai 07, at 10:23, Avi Bryant wrote:

On 5/4/07, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:

>      Before I answer that, I want you to answer the following question
> honestly:
>
>      Did you download the release and read the README?

No, because I'm currently on dialup and it would tie up my connection
for (according to Safari) 30 minutes to do so.  I couldn't find any
README or release notes on the web site, nor in your postings to this
list.  The earlier release of Spoon that I do have has no README
whatsoever.

However, thanks for letting me know where the information is.  Next
week when I'm back on broadband I will definitely download the latest
Spoon release and find out the answer for myself, so please don't
reply on my account, but there may in fact be others on this list who
would rather read an email or a webpage than download a few megabytes
of data to get the answer.

Cheers,
Avi

Avi Bryant wrote:
This is what the readme says (not much about flow if you ask me...):

       Thanks for trying Spoon! To start it, do the following:

     * Double-click the "spoon.bat" file. This will start the Spoon
processor, which starts a local web server.
     * Visit that local web server. You'll get a greeting message from
Spoon and some links to invoke module commands.


       In the "naiad" folder are components for remote browsing and
inspecting of the Spoon memory from a Squeak 3.9 system (they probably
work with earlier systems as well). To use them, first start the Spoon
system as described above. Then start the "naiad" application with the
object memory of your choice. Then, file in "naiad.st", and load the
"naiad.pr" project. That project has a few expressions for connecting to
the Spoon system, and opening a remote system browser.
       Finally, "spoonProcessorChanges.st" contains changes to the
Squeak virtual machine simulator for running the Spoon memory in
simulation. If the Spoon system ever goes south when run with the
processor application, you can re-run under simulation to see what's
going on.
       For discussion, please join the Spoon mailing list. Thanks again!

Cheers,
   - Andreas

> I'm confused. Do you have new primitives?

     Yes; they're included in the virtual machine changes, along with
the support for running them in the simulator.


-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Hi Avi--

> > Did you download the release and read the README?
>
> No, because I'm currently on dialup and it would tie up my connection
> for (according to Safari) 30 minutes to do so.

     Aha; thanks, that's good to know. I'll try to include information
like this ("what's in the release") on the web page too.

     So, as I think I mentioned here on squeak-dev as well, the Flow
code is part of the Naiad client support, which is one of two fileouts
in the current release (the other is the virtual machine support for the
Spoon VM, both building and simulating).


     thanks again,

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Hi Andreas--

> This is what the readme says (not much about flow if you ask me...):

     True, not directly, but I'd assumed readers of squeak-dev would
know that Flow was part of the Naiad client support, since I did say
that here when I made the release.

     I don't make direct mention of Flow in the Spoon release notes
because I don't really provide a proper standalone Flow release yet. But
I don't see how anyone would expect to communicate with a Spoon system
without having Flow support... I thought the deduction, even without
reading what I wrote here on squeak-dev, was an easy one.


     thanks again,

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]