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RichWhite

Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

Is anyone working on SmartBoard (or Promethean Board) applications with
Croquet?... we have a prof of concept (using mostly the KAT/WisconsinWorld demo
- we are it calling Edusim for now) that we are running by school
administrators but would love to collaborate with anyone looking at the
Smart/Promethean Board applications.

We are very new to Squeak and have only be experimenting with Croquet for 3-4
months.. so our proficiency with it is a little limited at the moment.

Here is our prof of concept video for anyone interested in collaborating with
us on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBpUcNGVlU

Thanks in advance !

Rich
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Howard Stearns-3

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

What a terrific idea!

I gather that interactive whiteboards run from from about $800 to $4000.
What sort of features/price do you find to be required to do this
effectively?
Any particular issues?

-Howard

On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:01 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Is anyone working on SmartBoard (or Promethean Board) applications
> with
> Croquet?... we have a prof of concept (using mostly the KAT/
> WisconsinWorld demo
> - we are it calling Edusim for now) that we are running by school
> administrators but would love to collaborate with anyone looking at
> the
> Smart/Promethean Board applications.
>
> We are very new to Squeak and have only be experimenting with
> Croquet for 3-4
> months.. so our proficiency with it is a little limited at the moment.
>
> Here is our prof of concept video for anyone interested in
> collaborating with
> us on this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBpUcNGVlU
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance !
>
> Rich
> =====

RichWhite

Croquet on an interactive whiteboard in K-12 (Part II & Other Developments)

First off... WOW, and THANK YOU to the Croquet developers community. The
Croquet/Interactive Whiteboard prototype videos have really elicited some
wonderful feedback!

As a result of the prototype videos a major maker of interactive smartboards in
the U.S. has contacted me wanting to know more information about what we were
using, and showing a very keen interest in demonstrating Croquet on their
boards in upcoming trade shows. Obviously this is a wonderful new opportunity
for Croquet in the K-12 environment. I would like to invite everyone in the
community to contribute to our small project (We call the prof of concept
Edusim).

In the event you missed the video I have provided a link to it below, as well
as a link to a teacher requested follow up video (showing the 8 minute creation
of a mini "Moon lesson"). I have a pilot group of 6th-7th graders
using/exploring "Edusim" and am in the process of getting parental concent
forms so I can share video of the kids interacting with the technology.... Its
truely magic watching the kids move, build, explore with direct manipulation of
objects on the interactive boards and I am looking very forward to sharing
their experience through video very soon.

So please, if you have a passion for Croquet or K-12 educational technology
feel free to contribute your ideas, codes, suggestions, videos to our little
wiki (I provided the link below as well). Additionally, if you know of anyone
that may be interested in contributing - please pass this memo along.

Prof of Concept Pt 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBpUcNGVlU

Prof of Concept Pt 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9txgyhz1sDo

(Kids interacting with the technology will be posted mid next week)

A Quick Wiki to contribute additional concepts/videos etc.
http://edusim.pbwiki.com
(PW = 007)

Thank you again.. and best regards !

Rich

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Howard Stearns-3

Re: Croquet on an interactive whiteboard in K-12 (Part II & Other Developments)

David Faught has been building an improved TPainter that you might
want to try. I think it should be a straight load-in upgrade.

http://www.nabble.com/CCPainter-t4379347.html
http://jabberwocky.croquetproject.org:8889/PublicContributions

-H

On Sep 29, 2007, at 2:20 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> First off... WOW, and THANK YOU to the Croquet developers
> community. The
> Croquet/Interactive Whiteboard prototype videos have really
> elicited some
> wonderful feedback!
>
> As a result of the prototype videos a major maker of interactive
> smartboards in
> the U.S. has contacted me wanting to know more information about
> what we were
> using, and showing a very keen interest in demonstrating Croquet on
> their
> boards in upcoming trade shows. Obviously this is a wonderful new
> opportunity
> for Croquet in the K-12 environment. I would like to invite
> everyone in the
> community to contribute to our small project (We call the prof of
> concept
> Edusim).
>
> In the event you missed the video I have provided a link to it
> below, as well
> as a link to a teacher requested follow up video (showing the 8
> minute creation
> of a mini "Moon lesson"). I have a pilot group of 6th-7th graders
> using/exploring "Edusim" and am in the process of getting parental
> concent
> forms so I can share video of the kids interacting with the
> technology.... Its
> truely magic watching the kids move, build, explore with direct
> manipulation of
> objects on the interactive boards and I am looking very forward to
> sharing
> their experience through video very soon.
>
> So please, if you have a passion for Croquet or K-12 educational
> technology
> feel free to contribute your ideas, codes, suggestions, videos to
> our little
> wiki (I provided the link below as well). Additionally, if you
> know of anyone
> that may be interested in contributing - please pass this memo along.
>
>
> Prof of Concept Pt 1:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBpUcNGVlU
>
> Prof of Concept Pt 2:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9txgyhz1sDo
>
> (Kids interacting with the technology will be posted mid next week)
>
> A Quick Wiki to contribute additional concepts/videos etc.
> http://edusim.pbwiki.com
> (PW = 007)
>
>
> Thank you again.. and best regards !
>
> Rich
>
> =========================

RichWhite

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

In reply to this post by RichWhite

Hello,

Below is the video of our middle school pilot group exploring the Edusim prototype today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKxxzu00zx8

Best Regards
Rich

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Chris Muller-3

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

How are interactions normally requiring the keyboard handled by that
interactive-whiteboard device?

On 10/3/07, RichWhite <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Below is the video of our middle school pilot group exploring the Edusim
> prototype today.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKxxzu00zx8
>
>
> Best Regards
> Rich
>
> =========
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Croquet-on-a-Smartboard-%28or-Promethean-Board%29-in-K-12-tf4524583.html#a13030959
> Sent from the Croquet - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

RichWhite

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

Hello Chris,

The boards actually have a popup keyboard widget the students use. its
slightly visible to the right of the screen in the beginning of the
video.

===============

On 10/3/07, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> How are interactions normally requiring the keyboard handled by that
> interactive-whiteboard device?
>

David Faught

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

In reply to this post by RichWhite

I'm sure that this is lots of fun (I'd like one!) but surely the real fun
starts when you have 2 or more hooked together, which is what Croquet is all
about. Or at least another PC or three.

RichWhite

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

Its fantastic when the boards are connected .. the kids were
connecting and doing virtual scavenger hunts with each other
yesterday.... I had some film of them doing that but the video had
kids obscuring the smartboard from the camera (and a few of the kids
in the video did not bring back their parental release forms for
publishing them online) ... The kids LOVE this stuff .... We have
several really sharp kids in the group I am wanting to recruit to
explore Squeak, build complex models with Blender, as well as taking
to presentations with me to demo it to school administrators.

=========

On 10/4/07, David Faught <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm sure that this is lots of fun (I'd like one!) but surely the real fun
> starts when you have 2 or more hooked together, which is what Croquet is all
> about. Or at least another PC or three.
>

Bugzilla from m.krueger@digidrops.de

Croquet on 64 Bit

Hello all,

i want to run croquet on pure 64 bit linux system. Got tired for
reading old articles and postings in newsgroups about 64 bit squeak and
so on. It is impossible to decide quickly if some information is
actual or outdated.

So, I read something about 64 bit squeak-vm's and 32 Bit images.

Now my questions:

1. did anybody run croquet on pure x86_64 linux?

2. can anymody make me a bit more clear about 64 bit
squeak-vm's and 32 Bit images?
2.1 Can I run the official croquet image on such vm?
2.2 How to compile such vm easily, exists a wiki about?
2.3 Do I have to convert the croquet image to 64 bit? How?
2.4 If I have converted, can I continue work as normal
with the croquet-reposetories.

For some help, also with not outdated references i'd would be happy.

Thanks,

m.

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Croquet on 64 Bit

On Oct 4, 2007, at 17:55 , Mathias Krüger wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> i want to run croquet on pure 64 bit linux system. Got tired for
> reading old articles and postings in newsgroups about 64 bit squeak
> and
> so on. It is impossible to decide quickly if some information is
> actual or outdated.
>
> So, I read something about 64 bit squeak-vm's and 32 Bit images.
>
> Now my questions:
>
> 1. did anybody run croquet on pure x86_64 linux?

Don't know.

> 2. can anymody make me a bit more clear about 64 bit
> squeak-vm's and 32 Bit images?

Should work.

> 2.1 Can I run the official croquet image on such vm?

Don't know - Croquet relies on FFI and if that works with a 64 bit VM
I have no idea.

> 2.2 How to compile such vm easily, exists a wiki about?

See http://squeakvm.org/unix/

If that fails, ask on

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev

> 2.3 Do I have to convert the croquet image to 64 bit? How?

No.

> 2.4 If I have converted, can I continue work as normal
> with the croquet-reposetories.

Yes.

> For some help, also with not outdated references i'd would be happy.

The majority of Squeak hackers doesn't see the point of a "pure" 64
bit system. Even 64 bit Linux is quite capable of running 32 bit
software, and space should not be a problem on such a machine. So
except for making most parts of the VM 64 bit clean there hasn't been
a lot of interest.

Relatively few Squeakers do Croquet. So if you ask on the squeak-dev
or vm-dev lists, you get a higher chance of meeting someone
interested in 64 bits.

- Bert -

David P. Reed

Re: Croquet on 64 Bit

In reply to this post by Bugzilla from m.krueger@digidrops.de

You'd have to build a 64-bit Croquet VM, I believe - a small variation
from the 64-bit Squeak VM. I have thought about trying it, but haven't
done it. Will cheer you on.

Mathias Krüger wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> i want to run croquet on pure 64 bit linux system. Got tired for
> reading old articles and postings in newsgroups about 64 bit squeak and
> so on. It is impossible to decide quickly if some information is
> actual or outdated.
>
> So, I read something about 64 bit squeak-vm's and 32 Bit images.
>
> Now my questions:
>
> 1. did anybody run croquet on pure x86_64 linux?
>
> 2. can anymody make me a bit more clear about 64 bit
> squeak-vm's and 32 Bit images?
> 2.1 Can I run the official croquet image on such vm?
> 2.2 How to compile such vm easily, exists a wiki about?
> 2.3 Do I have to convert the croquet image to 64 bit? How?
> 2.4 If I have converted, can I continue work as normal
> with the croquet-reposetories.
>
> For some help, also with not outdated references i'd would be happy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> m.
>
>

Matthew Schmidt-2

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

In reply to this post by RichWhite

I question the educational value of this hardware configuration, but the cool factor is certainly there.

I have set up a Croquet world and ran it through a data projector on a 12 foot wall... and controlled my avatar with a Wii remote.

It's lots of fun, but, again, little educational value.

-Matt

On 10/4/07, Rich White <[hidden email]> wrote:

Its fantastic when the boards are connected .. the kids were
connecting and doing virtual scavenger hunts with each other
yesterday.... I had some film of them doing that but the video had
kids obscuring the smartboard from the camera (and a few of the kids
in the video did not bring back their parental release forms for
publishing them online) ... The kids LOVE this stuff .... We have
several really sharp kids in the group I am wanting to recruit to
explore Squeak, build complex models with Blender, as well as taking
to presentations with me to demo it to school administrators.

=========

On 10/4/07, David Faught <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm sure that this is lots of fun (I'd like one!) but surely the real fun
> starts when you have 2 or more hooked together, which is what Croquet is all
> about. Or at least another PC or three.
>

RichWhite

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

The kids would definitely say otherwise ..... those k-12 teachers out
there would agree, kids almost demand a "Richness" to their
educational content now days (especially by middle school !)... when
discussing molecules for example, the ability for the teacher to
bring up a 3D environment consist ant with the discussion, and either
connect their interactive board through their school network to
another in the school, or the students connecting to the board from
their laptops to interactively build, manipulate, and discuss the
topic..... a very rich educational experienceindeed! The kids
really seem to love being able to directly manipulate the 3D virtual
objects on the board..... its definitely a new paradigm in k-12
classroom interactive whiteboard technology and the students are
responding very well to the Edusim prototype..... The pedagogy is
certainly in its infancy, but it captures their senses, encourages
them to create, and best of all .. the kids love learning this way !
I hope to keep the group informed of the work as it evolves !

========

On 10/4/07, Matthew Schmidt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I question the educational value of this hardware configuration, but the
> cool factor is certainly there.
>
> I have set up a Croquet world and ran it through a data projector on a 12
> foot wall... and controlled my avatar with a Wii remote.
>
> It's lots of fun, but, again, little educational value.
>
> -Matt
>
>
> On 10/4/07, Rich White < [hidden email]> wrote:
> > Its fantastic when the boards are connected .. the kids were
> > connecting and doing virtual scavenger hunts with each other
> > yesterday.... I had some film of them doing that but the video had
> > kids obscuring the smartboard from the camera (and a few of the kids
> > in the video did not bring back their parental release forms for
> > publishing them online) ... The kids LOVE this stuff .... We have
> > several really sharp kids in the group I am wanting to recruit to
> > explore Squeak, build complex models with Blender, as well as taking
> > to presentations with me to demo it to school administrators.
> >
> >
> > =========
> >
> > On 10/4/07, David Faught <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > I'm sure that this is lots of fun (I'd like one!) but surely the real
> fun
> > > starts when you have 2 or more hooked together, which is what Croquet is
> all
> > > about. Or at least another PC or three.
> > >
> >
>
>

RichWhite

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

In reply to this post by RichWhite

Quick updated... had a chance to film a teacher with a few youngers on a SMARTtech SMARTboard with the Edusim prototype (with their fingers rather than a stylus)... she intends to use it her lessons through the week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LN5JRl8_sU#GU5U2spHI_4

Best Regards,
Rich

================

RichWhite wrote

Is anyone working on SmartBoard (or Promethean Board) applications with
Croquet?... we have a prof of concept (using mostly the KAT/WisconsinWorld demo
- we are it calling Edusim for now) that we are running by school
administrators but would love to collaborate with anyone looking at the
Smart/Promethean Board applications.

We are very new to Squeak and have only be experimenting with Croquet for 3-4
months.. so our proficiency with it is a little limited at the moment.

Here is our prof of concept video for anyone interested in collaborating with
us on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBpUcNGVlU

Thanks in advance !

Rich
=====

RichWhite

Re: Croquet on a Smartboard (or Promethean Board) in K-12

In reply to this post by RichWhite

An update - Smarttech (Makers of the SMARTboard) rep emailed 2 days ago to let me know they will be demoing the Edusim on their SMARTboard at an upcoming educational technology trade show called Educause in Seattle (http://www.educause.edu - October 23–26). Also have 2 teacher submitted "resource packs" (lessons) . The Learning Tree Institute is discussing the details of offering mini-grants to teachers to develop Edusim lessons (the goal is to have 50 lessons within the next 6 months). We also have several Edusim pods on our Secondlife Island with Edusim signage, video etc that are getting a fair amount of traffic on our Greenbush Island (if you are interested in seeing them - search "Greenbush Island" in SL - you will see the Education Service Center lands in the results)

The latest prototype videos:

Teacher builds a lesson - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LN5JRl8_sU

Kids build a Mars colony - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVG6uh8P80

Best regards,
Rich

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