Croquet vs Cobalt

> Hello,
>
> I've been examining Croquet in the last few weeks (reading docs, trying
> out code), and I've also had a look at Cobalt. What is Cobalt, exactly?
> At first I thought it was a kind of UI on top of Croquet, but some
> discussions I've seen on this list have hinted that CroquetSDK proper is
> obsolete, and developers should be working with Cobalt. Is that an
> accurate statement?
>
> Also, is there any sort of summary of substantive changes that have been
> made to the Croquet system in Cobalt? At the moment it's hard for me to
> see how Cobalt has updated/fixed the original CroquetSDK outside of the
> UI layer.
>
> Thanks.
>
>  

> Croquet is an API for shared distributed computation (using the  
> TeaTime model) with some very compelling demos that involve 3D  
> virtual worlds.  Cobalt is currently the _beginnings_ of an effort  
> to build a application, a 3D metaverse browser, using the Croquet  
> system for underpinnings. As part of this effort we are making an  
> effort to clean up parts of the Croquet code base as well as build  
> out our own functionality and UI. The plan is to push our modified  
> Croquet components back out once we're happy enough with them.
>
> Cheers,
> -- John
>
> Dominic Espinosa wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've been examining Croquet in the last few weeks (reading docs,  
>> trying
>> out code), and I've also had a look at Cobalt. What is Cobalt,  
>> exactly?
>> At first I thought it was a kind of UI on top of Croquet, but some
>> discussions I've seen on this list have hinted that CroquetSDK  
>> proper is
>> obsolete, and developers should be working with Cobalt. Is that an
>> accurate statement?
>>
>> Also, is there any sort of summary of substantive changes that have  
>> been
>> made to the Croquet system in Cobalt? At the moment it's hard for  
>> me to
>> see how Cobalt has updated/fixed the original CroquetSDK outside of  
>> the
>> UI layer.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>
> --
> John Dougan
> [hidden email]
>
>

> Hi John,
>
> and who is "we" ? A "fixed" (in the sense of mostly the same people)
> small group or  a big communitiy ?
>
> Greetings
>
> Hans
>
> Am 12.09.2008 um 02:52 schrieb John Dougan:
>
>> Croquet is an API for shared distributed computation (using the
>> TeaTime model) with some very compelling demos that involve 3D
>> virtual worlds.  Cobalt is currently the _beginnings_ of an effort to
>> build a application, a 3D metaverse browser, using the Croquet system
>> for underpinnings. As part of this effort we are making an effort to
>> clean up parts of the Croquet code base as well as build out our own
>> functionality and UI. The plan is to push our modified Croquet
>> components back out once we're happy enough with them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- John
>>
>> Dominic Espinosa wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've been examining Croquet in the last few weeks (reading docs, trying
>>> out code), and I've also had a look at Cobalt. What is Cobalt, exactly?
>>> At first I thought it was a kind of UI on top of Croquet, but some
>>> discussions I've seen on this list have hinted that CroquetSDK
>>> proper is
>>> obsolete, and developers should be working with Cobalt. Is that an
>>> accurate statement?
>>>
>>> Also, is there any sort of summary of substantive changes that have
>>> been
>>> made to the Croquet system in Cobalt? At the moment it's hard for me to
>>> see how Cobalt has updated/fixed the original CroquetSDK outside of the
>>> UI layer.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> John Dougan
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>
>

>    More info here:  [1]http://croquetconsortium.org/index.php/Cobalt
>    -Julian
>    On Sep 12, 2008, at 11:47 AM, John Dougan wrote:
>
>      At present "We" is a small group, however we're looking to grow and we
>      welcome participation.  Julian Lombardi and Mark McCahill, two of the
>      original Croquet team, want to continue their application level virtual
>      world projects that they started with the Croquet project. So, they
>      decided to fork off a separate open source project to keep the API
>      development and the application development projects cleanly separated.
>      All development done under the Cobalt brand is to be open source.
>
>      The current main page for Cobalt is at:
>        [2]http://groups.google.com/group/cobaltcroquet. The mailing list for
>      project issues currently lives there as well as proposed roadmaps and
>      resource pointers. There is a weekly Skype dev meeting on Wednesdays at
>      5pm US Eastern time, message me (skypeid: johnrdougan) to join.
>
>      Cheers,
>      -- John
>
>      Hans N Beck wrote:
>
>        Hi John,
>
>        and who is "we" ? A "fixed" (in the sense of mostly the same people)
>        small group or  a big communitiy ?
>
>        Greetings
>
>        Hans
>
>        Am 12.09.2008 um 02:52 schrieb John Dougan:
>
>          Croquet is an API for shared distributed computation (using the
>          TeaTime model) with some very compelling demos that involve 3D
>          virtual worlds.  Cobalt is currently the _beginnings_ of an effort
>          to build a application, a 3D metaverse browser, using the Croquet
>          system for underpinnings. As part of this effort we are making an
>          effort to clean up parts of the Croquet code base as well as build
>          out our own functionality and UI. The plan is to push our modified
>          Croquet components back out once we're happy enough with them.
>
>          Cheers,
>
>          -- John
>
>          Dominic Espinosa wrote:
>
>            Hello,
>
>            I've been examining Croquet in the last few weeks (reading docs,
>            trying
>
>            out code), and I've also had a look at Cobalt. What is Cobalt,
>            exactly?
>
>            At first I thought it was a kind of UI on top of Croquet, but some
>
>            discussions I've seen on this list have hinted that CroquetSDK
>            proper is
>
>            obsolete, and developers should be working with Cobalt. Is that an
>
>            accurate statement?
>
>            Also, is there any sort of summary of substantive changes that
>            have been
>
>            made to the Croquet system in Cobalt? At the moment it's hard for
>            me to
>
>            see how Cobalt has updated/fixed the original CroquetSDK outside
>            of the
>
>            UI layer.
>
>            Thanks.
>
>          --
>
>          John Dougan
>
>          [3][hidden email]
>
>      --
>      John Dougan
>      [4][hidden email]
>
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> References
>
>    Visible links
>    1. http://croquetconsortium.org/index.php/Cobalt
>    2. http://groups.google.com/group/cobaltcroquet
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