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ccrraaiigg

DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

Hi all--

The Squeak Foundation board of directors and Viewpoints have
decided to set a deadline for returning signed contributor agreements.

The deadline is 1 May 2007.

Any contribution not covered by a contributor agreement by that
time, without further action by the contributor, will not be considered
for future releases of Squeak produced by the Squeak Foundation. Please
direct all questions about this to me (I'm the board member who is
coordinating licensing).

A list of contributors who have not returned signed agreements, and
a list of contributors who have no known non-bouncing email address are at:

http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors

Please let me know if any information there is incorrect or incomplete.

thanks for your help!

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Simon Michael

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

Hi Craig.. I appear at
http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors , but I'm 99%
certain I mailed my signed agreement to VPRI.

Thanks - Simon

Ron Teitelbaum

RE: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

Simon,

I believe this is the list of returned agreements and you are on it.

http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/signatories

Ron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-dev-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Simon Michael
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:35 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007
>
> Hi Craig.. I appear at
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors , but I'm 99%
> certain I mailed my signed agreement to VPRI.
>
> Thanks - Simon
>
>

Karl-19

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by ccrraaiigg

Craig Latta skrev:

> Hi all--
>
> The Squeak Foundation board of directors and Viewpoints have
> decided to set a deadline for returning signed contributor agreements.
>
> The deadline is 1 May 2007.
>
> Any contribution not covered by a contributor agreement by that
> time, without further action by the contributor, will not be considered
> for future releases of Squeak produced by the Squeak Foundation. Please
> direct all questions about this to me (I'm the board member who is
> coordinating licensing).
>
> A list of contributors who have not returned signed agreements, and
> a list of contributors who have no known non-bouncing email address are at:
>
> http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors
>
> Please let me know if any information there is incorrect or incomplete.
>
>
> thanks for your help!
>
> -C
>
>

At least two or three of the contributors has passed away. What is the
procedure to deal with that ?
Karl

Alejandro F. Reimondo

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Ron Teitelbaum

Hi,
I am sure I have NOT emailed my agreement and I am in the list.
Hope this information can help to understand what's happening on.
best,
Ale.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Teitelbaum" <[hidden email]>
To: "'The general-purpose Squeak developers list'"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: RE: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

> Simon,
>
> I believe this is the list of returned agreements and you are on it.
>
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/signatories
>
> Ron
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-dev-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Simon Michael
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:35 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007
>>
>> Hi Craig.. I appear at
>> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors , but I'm 99%
>> certain I mailed my signed agreement to VPRI.
>>
>> Thanks - Simon
>>
>>
>
>
>

Andreas.Raab

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
> I am sure I have NOT emailed my agreement and I am in the list.

Yes, you are. In the list of people who have NOT emailed the agreement.
Before you all cry out "why am I on/not on this list" be advised that
there are MANY lists up on Craig's site:

EVERYONE who has contributed is here:
http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors

Contributors who HAVE signed are here:
http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/signatories

Contributors who have NOT signed are here:
http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories

Contributors that could not be contacted are here:
http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missing

*Please* before you complain make sure you look at the right list.

Cheers,
- Andreas

ccrraaiigg

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Alejandro F. Reimondo

Hi--

There are multiple lists at http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors
(all contributors, contributors for whom we have no current email
address, contributors who have returned a signed agreement, and
contributors who have no returned a signed agreement).

Simon is in the list of all contributors, and the list of
contributors who have returned a signed agreement. Alejandro is in the
list of all contributors and the list of contributors who have not
returned a signed agreement.

Is the website unclear?

thanks!

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

ccrraaiigg

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Karl-19

Hi Karl--

> At least two or three of the contributors has passed away.

Yes, David N. Smith (dns), Henrik Gedenryd (hg), and Jerry
Archibald (jla) have died.

> What is the procedure to deal with that?

Since copyright persists after death in many jurisdictions, the
current stance is that we will not include those contributions without
some other indication as to their licensing terms. I'd appreciate
hearing privately from those who have a particular interest in seeing
those contributions included, and from anyone who has licensing terms
from those contributors before they died, or from their respective estates.

thanks again,

-C

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Luciano Notarfrancesco

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by ccrraaiigg

Hi,
I forgot to send the signed agreement. I'll send it this week.
Thanks,
Luciano

On 3/22/07, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi all--
>
> The Squeak Foundation board of directors and Viewpoints have
> decided to set a deadline for returning signed contributor agreements.
>
> The deadline is 1 May 2007.
>
> Any contribution not covered by a contributor agreement by that
> time, without further action by the contributor, will not be considered
> for future releases of Squeak produced by the Squeak Foundation. Please
> direct all questions about this to me (I'm the board member who is
> coordinating licensing).
>
> A list of contributors who have not returned signed agreements, and
> a list of contributors who have no known non-bouncing email address are at:
>
> http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors
>
> Please let me know if any information there is incorrect or incomplete.
>
>
> thanks for your help!
>
> -C
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> improvisational musical informaticist
> www.netjam.org
> Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
>
>
>

Alejandro F. Reimondo

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by ccrraaiigg

Hi Craig,
One page with a table i sbetter becasue a page
can be linked from outside loosing context information.
thanks,
Ale.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Latta" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

>
> Hi--
>
> There are multiple lists at http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors
> (all contributors, contributors for whom we have no current email
> address, contributors who have returned a signed agreement, and
> contributors who have no returned a signed agreement).
>
> Simon is in the list of all contributors, and the list of
> contributors who have returned a signed agreement. Alejandro is in the
> list of all contributors and the list of contributors who have not
> returned a signed agreement.
>
> Is the website unclear?
>
>
> thanks!
>
> -C
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> improvisational musical informaticist
> www.netjam.org
> Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
>
>
>

Alejandro F. Reimondo

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Andreas.Raab

Andreas,
I do not want to invest more of my time on this topic,
I've written to this list because I know someone with more
time or undestanding will help me to know why my name
is listed in a public place where I do not have given
permision to be written.
In this days when the "Squeak community" (now with a body)
do not want anyone to be considered as a contributor,
I do not understand why the persons that do not agreed
must be discriminated.
I think that it is more polite to list the persons that are
promoted by the Squeak organization.
only trying to help,
Ale.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Raab" <[hidden email]>
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

> Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
>> I am sure I have NOT emailed my agreement and I am in the list.
>
> Yes, you are. In the list of people who have NOT emailed the agreement.
> Before you all cry out "why am I on/not on this list" be advised that
> there are MANY lists up on Craig's site:
>
> EVERYONE who has contributed is here:
> http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors
>
> Contributors who HAVE signed are here:
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/signatories
>
> Contributors who have NOT signed are here:
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories
>
> Contributors that could not be contacted are here:
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missing
>
> *Please* before you complain make sure you look at the right list.
>
> Cheers,
> - Andreas
>

Andreas.Raab

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

You seemed to be complaining about being on "the" list of people who
have signed the agreement although you explicitly chose not to, and
since this was the second time someone complained about "the" list I
found it prudent to point out that there are multiple lists.

If that's not what you meant to say, then I apologize.

Cheers,
- Andreas

Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:

> Andreas,
> I do not want to invest more of my time on this topic,
> I've written to this list because I know someone with more
> time or undestanding will help me to know why my name
> is listed in a public place where I do not have given
> permision to be written.
> In this days when the "Squeak community" (now with a body)
> do not want anyone to be considered as a contributor,
> I do not understand why the persons that do not agreed
> must be discriminated.
> I think that it is more polite to list the persons that are
> promoted by the Squeak organization.
> only trying to help,
> Ale.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Raab" <[hidden email]>
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:59 AM
> Subject: Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007
>
>
>> Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
>>> I am sure I have NOT emailed my agreement and I am in the list.
>>
>> Yes, you are. In the list of people who have NOT emailed the
>> agreement. Before you all cry out "why am I on/not on this list" be
>> advised that there are MANY lists up on Craig's site:
>>
>> EVERYONE who has contributed is here:
>> http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors
>>
>> Contributors who HAVE signed are here:
>> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/signatories
>>
>> Contributors who have NOT signed are here:
>> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories
>>
>> Contributors that could not be contacted are here:
>> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missing
>>
>> *Please* before you complain make sure you look at the right list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Andreas
>>
>
>
>

Stéphane Rollandin

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by ccrraaiigg

Craig Latta wrote:
> Since copyright persists after death in many jurisdictions, the
> current stance is that we will not include those contributions without
> some other indication as to their licensing terms.

that's sad.

I would not like than, when I die, my public work becomes unavailable
just because I'm not here anymore to sign a paper. That's another kind
of death.

Shall we now all carry an "intellectual property donor" card so that we
can drop dead anytime without fear that our fellow human beings feel
obliged to forget what we have done ?

Stef

Giovanni Corriga

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by ccrraaiigg

Hi Craig,

here are the email addresses for Vassili Bykov
( [hidden email] ) and Carl Gundel ( [hidden email] ),
who appear in your missing contributors list.

Ciao,

Giovanni

garduino

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Andreas.Raab

I've signed and sended the agreement (received by VP and checked with
Kim) but I'm NOT on any of lists of Craig.

I've emailed before to Craig but not get responses.

Cheers.

2007/3/22, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]>:

> Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote:
> > I am sure I have NOT emailed my agreement and I am in the list.
>
> Yes, you are. In the list of people who have NOT emailed the agreement.
> Before you all cry out "why am I on/not on this list" be advised that
> there are MANY lists up on Craig's site:
>
> EVERYONE who has contributed is here:
> http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/contributors
>
> Contributors who HAVE signed are here:
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/signatories
>
> Contributors who have NOT signed are here:
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories
>
> Contributors that could not be contacted are here:
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missing
>
> *Please* before you complain make sure you look at the right list.
>
> Cheers,
> - Andreas
>
>

--
Germán S. Arduino
http://www.arsol.biz
http://www.arsol.net

Ron Teitelbaum

RE: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Stéphane Rollandin

I thought this was interesting.

http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2007/01/abandoned-projects-bus-proofing-and.html

Ron

> From: Stéphane Rollandin
>
> Craig Latta wrote:
> > Since copyright persists after death in many jurisdictions, the
> > current stance is that we will not include those contributions without
> > some other indication as to their licensing terms.
>
> that's sad.
>
> I would not like than, when I die, my public work becomes unavailable
> just because I'm not here anymore to sign a paper. That's another kind
> of death.
>
> Shall we now all carry an "intellectual property donor" card so that we
> can drop dead anytime without fear that our fellow human beings feel
> obliged to forget what we have done ?
>
>
> Stef
>
>

Klaus D. Witzel

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:05:26 +0100, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
> I thought this was interesting.
>
> http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2007/01/abandoned-projects-bus-proofing-and.html

I understand and letting another admin, who is under control of the
community, make such a decision is a good idea.

But making a decision depending on an outdated or (fraudulent) bouncing
email address is not.

/Klaus

> Ron
>
>> From: Stéphane Rollandin
>>
>> Craig Latta wrote:
>> > Since copyright persists after death in many jurisdictions, the
>> > current stance is that we will not include those contributions without
>> > some other indication as to their licensing terms.
>>
>> that's sad.
>>
>> I would not like than, when I die, my public work becomes unavailable
>> just because I'm not here anymore to sign a paper. That's another kind
>> of death.
>>
>> Shall we now all carry an "intellectual property donor" card so that we
>> can drop dead anytime without fear that our fellow human beings feel
>> obliged to forget what we have done ?
>>
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Ron Teitelbaum

RE: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

Klaus,

Just to be clear I thought the article was interesting, but I had a lot of
problems with the idea too. Mostly I figured that it was more valuable to
have a popular fork of a project then to allow some new leader to take it
over. My biggest concern is that someone could hijack someone's reputation
by resuming a project that was abandoned. Also it would be possible to have
a non-qualified person leading and harming a group. For me most of the
problems addressed by this document are solved by popularity. If something
is really needed then the developers will find a way to fix or replace it.

Still it is a good thing to think about and an interesting idea.

Ron Teitelbaum

> From: Klaus D. Witzel
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:05:26 +0100, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
> > I thought this was interesting.
> >
> > http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2007/01/abandoned-projects-bus-proofing-
> and.html
>
> I understand and letting another admin, who is under control of the
> community, make such a decision is a good idea.
>
> But making a decision depending on an outdated or (fraudulent) bouncing
> email address is not.
>
> /Klaus
>
> > Ron
> >
> >> From: Stéphane Rollandin
> >>
> >> Craig Latta wrote:
> >> > Since copyright persists after death in many jurisdictions, the
> >> > current stance is that we will not include those contributions
> without
> >> > some other indication as to their licensing terms.
> >>
> >> that's sad.
> >>
> >> I would not like than, when I die, my public work becomes unavailable
> >> just because I'm not here anymore to sign a paper. That's another kind
> >> of death.
> >>
> >> Shall we now all carry an "intellectual property donor" card so that we
> >> can drop dead anytime without fear that our fellow human beings feel
> >> obliged to forget what we have done ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Stef
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

timrowledge

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Alejandro F. Reimondo

Ale. how did you get the idea that "the "Squeak community" (now with
a body) do not want anyone to be considered as a contributor," ? What
comments or emails or news item made you think that - I'd like to
know so we can correct it.
Would you tell me why you don't feel able to sign the agreement? Please?

tim
--
tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
Useful random insult:- Immune from any serious head injury.

Vassili Bykov-2

Re: DEADLINE for Squeak contributor agreements: 1 May 2007

In reply to this post by Giovanni Corriga

I'll send mine soon. Sorry I haven't read this thread until now.

On 3/22/07, Giovanni Corriga <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> here are the email addresses for Vassili Bykov
> ( [hidden email] ) and Carl Gundel ( [hidden email] ),
> who appear in your missing contributors list.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Giovanni
>
>
>