Diff tools.

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> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Gary Chambers
> Sent: 05 April 2008 6:56 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [UI] Diff tools.
>
>
> (sorry, got posted under antother thred previously...)
>
> Just released (as in uploaded versions) of the "Diff Tools" on
> SqueakSource.
> Check here: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6005 for details.
>
> Have fun!
> Gary
>
>
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> Hey, that's cool!
>
> For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a
> screenshot (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no
> other response to this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ...Screenshot removed...
>
>
>
>
>
> One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code the
> keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is missing.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
> Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened when
> loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency
> debugger from which the image cannot recover.
>
>

>  I can understand people not using it because they prefer FreeType. But I
> can't understand how can somebody prefer those ugly fonts...
>
>  Cheers,
>  Juan Vuletich
>
>  Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey, that's cool!
> >
> > For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a screenshot
> (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no other response to
> this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ...Screenshot removed...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code the
> keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is missing.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Adrian
> >
> > BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
> Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened when
> loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency debugger from
> which the image cannot recover.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> 2008/4/16 Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]>:
>  
>> Did I ever tell I did a very small change set that allows 32 bpp
>> StrikeFonts, and a set of free subpixel rendered fonts? Works on any
>> platform without any new plugin. It is what you need for this to look really
>> great (if you are not using FreeType). It is at
>> http://www.jvuletich.org/NiceFonts.html .
>>
>>    
>
> I'm aware of your changes concerning fonts.
> Just one question, why it requires 32bpp , not 8bpp?
> A raster font should be represented by a mask and 8bpp for mask pixels
> is more than enough for representing font with fully opaque/fully
> transparent and semi-transparent pixels. What you doing with rest 24
> bits?
>
>  
>>  I can understand people not using it because they prefer FreeType. But I
>> can't understand how can somebody prefer those ugly fonts...
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>  Juan Vuletich
>>
>>  Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Hey, that's cool!
>>>
>>> For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a screenshot
>>>      
>> (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no other response to
>> this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
>>    
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ...Screenshot removed...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code the
>>>      
>> keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is missing.
>>    
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
>>>      
>> Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened when
>> loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency debugger from
>> which the image cannot recover.
>>    
>>>
>>>      
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>  

>  Cheers,
>  Juan Vuletich
>
>
>
>  Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
> > 2008/4/16 Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >
> > > Did I ever tell I did a very small change set that allows 32 bpp
> > > StrikeFonts, and a set of free subpixel rendered fonts? Works on any
> > > platform without any new plugin. It is what you need for this to look
> really
> > > great (if you are not using FreeType). It is at
> > > http://www.jvuletich.org/NiceFonts.html .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I'm aware of your changes concerning fonts.
> > Just one question, why it requires 32bpp , not 8bpp?
> > A raster font should be represented by a mask and 8bpp for mask pixels
> > is more than enough for representing font with fully opaque/fully
> > transparent and semi-transparent pixels. What you doing with rest 24
> > bits?
> >
> >
> >
> > >  I can understand people not using it because they prefer FreeType. But
> I
> > > can't understand how can somebody prefer those ugly fonts...
> > >
> > >  Cheers,
> > >  Juan Vuletich
> > >
> > >  Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey, that's cool!
> > > >
> > > > For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a
> screenshot
> > > >
> > > >
> > > (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no other response
> to
> > > this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > ...Screenshot removed...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code the
> > > >
> > > >
> > > keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is missing.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Adrian
> > > >
> > > > BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened when
> > > loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency debugger
> from
> > > which the image cannot recover.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 2008/4/16 Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]>:
>  
>> Hi Igor,
>>
>>  I'd be happier if you actually used it, but...
>>
>>  It does not require BitBlt rule 41. It uses rules 28 and 34. So it uses the
>> 32 bits (actually it could work with 24, but never tried) to store the full
>> subpixel data. The Form in the font has the glyphs in black with colored
>> borders for subpixel rendering.
>>
>>    
>
> Yes, but that means that font will look fine only if you render black
> text on white background.
> For the rest 2^32-1 (font color variants) such representation is
> completely broken.
>
>  
>>  Cheers,
>>  Juan Vuletich
>>
>>
>>
>>  Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> 2008/4/16 Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Did I ever tell I did a very small change set that allows 32 bpp
>>>> StrikeFonts, and a set of free subpixel rendered fonts? Works on any
>>>> platform without any new plugin. It is what you need for this to look
>>>>        
>> really
>>    
>>>> great (if you are not using FreeType). It is at
>>>> http://www.jvuletich.org/NiceFonts.html .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>> I'm aware of your changes concerning fonts.
>>> Just one question, why it requires 32bpp , not 8bpp?
>>> A raster font should be represented by a mask and 8bpp for mask pixels
>>> is more than enough for representing font with fully opaque/fully
>>> transparent and semi-transparent pixels. What you doing with rest 24
>>> bits?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>>  I can understand people not using it because they prefer FreeType. But
>>>>        
>> I
>>    
>>>> can't understand how can somebody prefer those ugly fonts...
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>  Juan Vuletich
>>>>
>>>>  Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>> Hey, that's cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a
>>>>>          
>> screenshot
>>    
>>>>>          
>>>> (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no other response
>>>>        
>> to
>>    
>>>> this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    
>>>>> ...Screenshot removed...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>> keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is missing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>> Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened when
>>>> loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency debugger
>>>>        
>> from
>>    
>>>> which the image cannot recover.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>>          
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>
>  

> I don't know if you are serious, but I guess that the screen shot at
> http://www.jvuletich.org/NiceFonts.html shows clearly that using black
> colored backgrounds as well as colored text on colored backgrounds is not
> broken at all.
>
>  If you care to read the page, it says:
>
>  "For black text on colored backgrounds I started experimenting with alpha
> blending (BitBlt rule 34). But I realized that rule 28 could do a much
> better work. Rule 28 takes the min value between source and destiny for each
> rgb component. So it will leave the background untouched except for those
> pixels where the font wants something darker. There, the font rules. It
> looks great."
>
>  "For doing sub pixel AA of colored text on colored background I believe you
> need to render the font again. As I can't do that, I use whole pixel AA
> (i.e. regular AA). So I prepared color maps. For example, to render a red
> font, I prepared a color map that maps the different colors in the font to
> red with different translucency. Then I display the text with alpha blending
> (BitBlt rule 34)."
>
>

>
>  Cheers,
>  Juan Vuletich
>
>  Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
> > 2008/4/16 Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >
> > > Hi Igor,
> > >
> > >  I'd be happier if you actually used it, but...
> > >
> > >  It does not require BitBlt rule 41. It uses rules 28 and 34. So it uses
> the
> > > 32 bits (actually it could work with 24, but never tried) to store the
> full
> > > subpixel data. The Form in the font has the glyphs in black with colored
> > > borders for subpixel rendering.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, but that means that font will look fine only if you render black
> > text on white background.
> > For the rest 2^32-1 (font color variants) such representation is
> > completely broken.
> >
> >
> >
> > >  Cheers,
> > >  Juan Vuletich
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Igor Stasenko wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2008/4/16 Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Did I ever tell I did a very small change set that allows 32 bpp
> > > > > StrikeFonts, and a set of free subpixel rendered fonts? Works on any
> > > > > platform without any new plugin. It is what you need for this to
> look
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > really
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > great (if you are not using FreeType). It is at
> > > > > http://www.jvuletich.org/NiceFonts.html .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I'm aware of your changes concerning fonts.
> > > > Just one question, why it requires 32bpp , not 8bpp?
> > > > A raster font should be represented by a mask and 8bpp for mask pixels
> > > > is more than enough for representing font with fully opaque/fully
> > > > transparent and semi-transparent pixels. What you doing with rest 24
> > > > bits?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >  I can understand people not using it because they prefer FreeType.
> But
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > I
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > can't understand how can somebody prefer those ugly fonts...
> > > > >
> > > > >  Cheers,
> > > > >  Juan Vuletich
> > > > >
> > > > >  Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, that's cool!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > screenshot
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no other
> response
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > to
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...Screenshot removed...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code
> the
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is
> missing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Adrian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened
> when
> > > > > loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency
> debugger
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > from
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > which the image cannot recover.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Juan Vuletich
> Sent: 16 April 2008 7:33 AM
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Diff tools.
>
>
> Did I ever tell I did a very small change set that allows 32 bpp
> StrikeFonts, and a set of free subpixel rendered fonts? Works on any
> platform without any new plugin. It is what you need for this to look
> really great (if you are not using FreeType). It is at
> http://www.jvuletich.org/NiceFonts.html .
>
> I can understand people not using it because they prefer FreeType. But I
> can't understand how can somebody prefer those ugly fonts...
>
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
>
> Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> > Hey, that's cool!
> >
> > For those that don't have the time to load the code, here is a
> > screenshot (sorry for the additional traffic, but since there was no
> > other response to this mail, I think it's appropriate ;) )
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ...Screenshot removed...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing I noticed is that in the text panes, for selected code the
> > keyboard shortcuts do not work and the usual context menu is missing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Adrian
> >
> > BTW: I still have a problem loading or updating to versions beyond
> > Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.301.mcz (even if there are no windows opened when
> > loading, which we do using MC config maps). I get an emergency
> > debugger from which the image cannot recover.
> >
> >
>
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> +1 against ugly fonts!
>
> We use FreeType because of licensing around the fonts our clients want to
> use. Up to them to supply the fonts (so needs to be dynamic based upon the
> "user"'s pc/device).
>
> It is good we have choices in font approaches. Could do with a thorough
> refactoring now though (on an inclusive basis).
>
> Regards,
> Gary.
>