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Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as a presentation tool

Hilaire Fernandes-3
For an event about ICT and education, I was asked to present Squeak
usage in education (http://www.28mars.org). It seems interesting to use
Squeak to present itself.
The thread navigator seems to be the appropriate tool to do so.
I am wondering two things:
- How is it possible to create a template slide/project then duplicate
it to create additional slides? At worst the template can be save in a
project file then reload each time an additional slide is needed.
- More important, to illustrate with real contents, I need to add in
some of my slides third party squeak-projects (ie project created by
kids and teachers). Is it possible to merge two different projects? I
would like the third party project to be part of the slide, and not just
  a small windows I can jump into.

Thanks.

Hilaire

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Re: Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as a presentation tool

Alan Kay
Hi Hilaire --

Yes, I have given every one of my presentations since about 1998 only
using Squeak. And, I mostly use the ThreadNavigator to sequence
through sorted projects. This allows me to have an image with many
projects in them and to make up a thread for each talk. Sometimes I
will use a BookMorph in a project.

I don't use templates, but templating should be there in a more
complete way than it is. Scott Wallace did quite a bit of work many
years ago to investigate better template mechanisms that would do
quite a bit more than Hypercard, but they only work in BookMorphs. We
had planned to merge BookMorph pages and Projects but the lack of
funds after 2001 prevented it. Your method of saving a template as a
project and reloaded is the best way to go now.

It is not possible to merge two projects (and it's not completely
clear what that would mean in all cases). Why not just have the 3rd
party project be one of the projects in your presentation and go to
it in sequence? That's what I do.

In any case, now that we have a little more funding, we are working
on a better project architecture which will at least have a good
template mechanism and (probably) allow very simple merging.

Cheers,

Alan

At 03:01 AM 2/26/2007, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:

>For an event about ICT and education, I was asked to present Squeak
>usage in education (http://www.28mars.org). It seems interesting to use
>Squeak to present itself.
>The thread navigator seems to be the appropriate tool to do so.
>I am wondering two things:
>- How is it possible to create a template slide/project then duplicate
>it to create additional slides? At worst the template can be save in a
>project file then reload each time an additional slide is needed.
>- More important, to illustrate with real contents, I need to add in
>some of my slides third party squeak-projects (ie project created by
>kids and teachers). Is it possible to merge two different projects? I
>would like the third party project to be part of the slide, and not just
>   a small windows I can jump into.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Hilaire
>
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Re: Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as a presentation tool

stéphane ducasse-2
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hilaire

my early presentations of squeak were using thread navigator. They  
are available at
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/Web/Demoes/
Have a look at TwoPresentations.

Stef

On 26 févr. 07, at 12:01, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:

> For an event about ICT and education, I was asked to present Squeak
> usage in education (http://www.28mars.org). It seems interesting to  
> use
> Squeak to present itself.
> The thread navigator seems to be the appropriate tool to do so.
> I am wondering two things:
> - How is it possible to create a template slide/project then duplicate
> it to create additional slides? At worst the template can be save in a
> project file then reload each time an additional slide is needed.
> - More important, to illustrate with real contents, I need to add in
> some of my slides third party squeak-projects (ie project created by
> kids and teachers). Is it possible to merge two different projects? I
> would like the third party project to be part of the slide, and not  
> just
>   a small windows I can jump into.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Hilaire
>
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Re: Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as a presentation tool

Hilaire Fernandes-3
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Alan Kay a écrit :

> prevented it. Your method of saving a template as a project and reloaded
> is the best way to go now.
[..]
> It is not possible to merge two projects (and it's not completely clear
> what that would mean in all cases). Why not just have the 3rd party
> project be one of the projects in your presentation and go to it in
> sequence? That's what I do.

Yes, it will be just fine that way. I put a not so nice template on our
superwiki http://ofset.org:8000/super/252

Stephane, yes I already know about your demo-image, and I took
inspiration from them. It helps me to figure out the use of the thread
navigator :)

Hilaire
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Re: Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as a presentation tool

Alan Kay
Please let me know any questions you have about
talks in Etoys, the thread navigator, etc. We
should document these (and actually are in the
process for OLPC -- a good forcing function for many things).

Cheers,

Alan

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At 10:42 AM 2/26/2007, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:

>Alan Kay a écrit :
>
> > prevented it. Your method of saving a template as a project and reloaded
> > is the best way to go now.
>[..]
> > It is not possible to merge two projects (and it's not completely clear
> > what that would mean in all cases). Why not just have the 3rd party
> > project be one of the projects in your presentation and go to it in
> > sequence? That's what I do.
>
>Yes, it will be just fine that way. I put a not so nice template on our
>superwiki http://ofset.org:8000/super/252
>
>Stephane, yes I already know about your demo-image, and I took
>inspiration from them. It helps me to figure out the use of the thread
>navigator :)
>
>Hilaire
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Re: Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as a presentation tool

johnmci
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Well our intent was always to allow Sophie
http://www.sophieproject.org
to have a frame where it would be an eToy or be controlled by some  
squeak widget.
We are quite away from doing that, and likely it would require  
community work.


On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:35 AM, stéphane ducasse wrote:

> hilaire
>
> my early presentations of squeak were using thread navigator. They
> are available at
> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/Web/Demoes/
> Have a look at TwoPresentations.
>
> Stef

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RE : Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as apresentation tool

Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDUM)
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Hi,

A way to merge somme projects is to pass copy of object from a project to another using the menu of the red handle
of the object's halo  then copy &print/copy to paste buffer

and in the other project the world menu /new morph/from paste buffer.

An easiest way is to load or create a destination project from the first project and just drop the objects on the button which represents the destination project.The words 'got it' will appear, wait until the object goes back at it place. A copy will be at the same place. If objects are related each with others , you have to putt all the objects on a playfield and drop the playfield on the button.

PS
I have added the ability to show or hide texts to the template
see:
http://ofset.org:8000/super/255

Best Regards
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Alan Kay a écrit :

> prevented it. Your method of saving a template as a project and reloaded
> is the best way to go now.
[..]
> It is not possible to merge two projects (and it's not completely clear
> what that would mean in all cases). Why not just have the 3rd party
> project be one of the projects in your presentation and go to it in
> sequence? That's what I do.

Yes, it will be just fine that way. I put a not so nice template on our
superwiki http://ofset.org:8000/super/252

Stephane, yes I already know about your demo-image, and I took
inspiration from them. It helps me to figure out the use of the thread
navigator :)

Hilaire
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Re: RE : Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak as apresentation tool

Hilaire Fernandes-3
Thanks a lot for the tips Pierre-André.

Hilaire

Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> A way to merge somme projects is to pass copy of object from a project to another using the menu of the red handle
> of the object's halo  then copy &print/copy to paste buffer
>
> and in the other project the world menu /new morph/from paste buffer.
>
> An easiest way is to load or create a destination project from the first project and just drop the objects on the button which represents the destination project.The words 'got it' will appear, wait until the object goes back at it place. A copy will be at the same place. If objects are related each with others , you have to putt all the objects on a playfield and drop the playfield on the button.
>
> PS
> I have added the ability to show or hide texts to the template
> see:
> http://ofset.org:8000/super/255
>


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RE : RE : Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak asapresentation tool

Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDUM)

Hi ,
another way is to create a flaps and let it be a shared flaps.

This way th flaps is present on every project , you can put things in it and get things from it.

If the flaps is a shared flaps it will not be saved with the project, uncheck 'shared' before saving if you need to save the flap. In a presentation you can  put  examples  on differents flaps.
Regards

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Thanks a lot for the tips Pierre-André.

Hilaire

Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> A way to merge somme projects is to pass copy of object from a project to another using the menu of the red handle
> of the object's halo  then copy &print/copy to paste buffer
>
> and in the other project the world menu /new morph/from paste buffer.
>
> An easiest way is to load or create a destination project from the first project and just drop the objects on the button which represents the destination project.The words 'got it' will appear, wait until the object goes back at it place. A copy will be at the same place. If objects are related each with others , you have to putt all the objects on a playfield and drop the playfield on the button.
>
> PS
> I have added the ability to show or hide texts to the template
> see:
> http://ofset.org:8000/super/255
>


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Re: RE : RE : Doing a presentation of Squeak with Squeak asapresentation tool

Hilaire Fernandes-3
PAD, btw you should present here what your are doing with V-Toys (Visual
Toys)

Hilaire

Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) a écrit :
> Hi ,
> another way is to create a flaps and let it be a shared flaps.
>

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