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Out of curiosity, i tried to look how it would be hard to change parser to support extended continuation syntax. And it was quite simple, i had to change only single method! A new syntax using double semicolon ';;' to indicate a continuation. So, code like: self foo ;; bar ;; zork is equivalent to: self foo bar zork But when its going to binary, or keyword messages, it allows to write more clean code, because it not requires using parenthesis. For instance: (1/10) asFloat with new syntax can be written as: 1/10 ;; asFloat More complex example: ((self foo: bar) + 10 ) baz can be written as self foo: bar ;; + 10 ;; baz Note, that it is same number of characters to type.. but is much more clean, and less time expensive to code, because when you coding, you usually type first message: self foo: bar ` and then you realising that next message is binary and hence you need to go back to beginning of line and put open paren there: `( self foo: bar then again, go to the end of message, and continue typing: ( self foo: bar ` ) + 10 ` - is cursor position. so, it is much more keystrokes & navigation than just typing two semicolons :) P.S. don't burn me for my herecy, please :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. parser-continuations.1.cs (1K) Download Attachment |
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ContextPart>>handleSignal: (((self tempAt: 1) handles: exception) and: [self tempAt: 3]) ifFalse: [ ^ self nextHandlerContext handleSignal: exception]. self tempAt: 1 ;; handles: exception ;; and: [self tempAt: 3] ;; ifFalse: [ ^ self nextHandlerContext handleSignal: exception]. Bezier3Segment. before: bezier2SegmentCount: pixelError "Compute the number of quadratic bezier segments needed to approximate this cubic with no more than a specified error" | a | a := (start x negated @ start y negated) + (3 * via1) - (3 * via2) + (end). ^ (((a r / (20.0 * pixelError)) raisedTo: 0.333333) ceiling) max: 1. after: bezier2SegmentCount: pixelError "Compute the number of quadratic bezier segments needed to approximate this cubic with no more than a specified error" | a | a := start x negated @ start y negated ;; + (3 * via1) - (3 * via2) + end. ^ a r / (20.0 * pixelError) raisedTo: 0.333333 ;; ceiling max: 1. ZipArchive before: lastIndexOfPKSignature: aSignature in: data "Answer the last index in data where aSignature (4 bytes long) occurs, or 0 if not found" | a b c d | a := aSignature first. b := aSignature second. c := aSignature third. d := aSignature fourth. (data size - 3) to: 1 by: -1 do: [ :i | (((data at: i) = a) and: [ ((data at: i + 1) = b) and: [ ((data at: i + 2) = c) and: [ ((data at: i + 3) = d) ]]]) ifTrue: [ ^i ] ]. ^0 after: lastIndexOfPKSignature: aSignature in: data "Answer the last index in data where aSignature (4 bytes long) occurs, or 0 if not found" | a b c d | a := aSignature first. b := aSignature second. c := aSignature third. d := aSignature fourth. data size - 3 to: 1 by: -1 do: [ :i | data at: i ;; = a and: [ data at: i + 1 ;; = b and: [ data at: i + 2 ;; = c and: [ data at: i + 3 ;; = d ]]] ifTrue: [ ^i ] ]. ^0 Character before: asUppercase "If the receiver is lowercase, answer its matching uppercase Character." "A tentative implementation. Eventually this should consult the Unicode table." | v | v := self charCode. (((8r141 <= v and: [v <= 8r172]) or: [16rE0 <= v and: [v <= 16rF6]]) or: [16rF8 <= v and: [v <= 16rFE]]) ifTrue: [^ Character value: value - 8r40] ifFalse: [^ self] after: asUppercase "If the receiver is lowercase, answer its matching uppercase Character." "A tentative implementation. Eventually this should consult the Unicode table." | v | v := self charCode. 8r141 <= v and: [v <= 8r172] ;; or: [16rE0 <= v and: [v <= 16rF6]] ;; or: [16rF8 <= v and: [v <= 16rFE]] ;; ifTrue: [^ Character value: value - 8r40] ifFalse: [^ self] -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> Hello, > > Out of curiosity, i tried to look how it would be hard to change > parser to support extended continuation syntax. > And it was quite simple, i had to change only single method! > > A new syntax using double semicolon ';;' to indicate a continuation. > > So, code like: > > self foo ;; bar ;; zork > > is equivalent to: > > self foo bar zork > > But when its going to binary, or keyword messages, it allows to write > more clean code, > because it not requires using parenthesis. > > For instance: > > (1/10) asFloat > > with new syntax can be written as: > > 1/10 ;; asFloat > > More complex example: > > ((self foo: bar) + 10 ) baz > > can be written as > > self foo: bar ;; + 10 ;; baz > > > Note, that it is same number of characters to type.. but is much more > clean, and less time expensive to code, > because when you coding, you usually type first message: > > self foo: bar ` > > and then you realising that next message is binary and hence you need > to go back to beginning of line and put open paren there: > > `( self foo: bar > > then again, go to the end of message, and continue typing: > > ( self foo: bar ` ) + 10 > > ` - is cursor position. > > so, it is much more keystrokes & navigation than just typing two semicolons :) > > P.S. don't burn me for my herecy, please :) This idea comes up every few years. This post sums up well the last attempt: http://blog.3plus4.org/2007/08/30/message-chains/ . I don't think it's worth changing the syntax for this. IMHO 1-2 pairs of parentheses usually improve readability. More parenthesis is rarely needed. Also mixing ;; with ; makes the code harder to understand. Try this: self foo ; bar ;; baz ; foo ;; bar ; baz. Note that the term 'continuation' means a totally different thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation . Levente > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > |
On 1 November 2010 05:04, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Out of curiosity, i tried to look how it would be hard to change >> parser to support extended continuation syntax. >> And it was quite simple, i had to change only single method! >> >> A new syntax using double semicolon ';;' to indicate a continuation. >> >> So, code like: >> >> self foo ;; bar ;; zork >> >> is equivalent to: >> >> self foo bar zork >> >> But when its going to binary, or keyword messages, it allows to write >> more clean code, >> because it not requires using parenthesis. >> >> For instance: >> >> (1/10) asFloat >> >> with new syntax can be written as: >> >> 1/10 ;; asFloat >> >> More complex example: >> >> ((self foo: bar) + 10 ) baz >> >> can be written as >> >> self foo: bar ;; + 10 ;; baz >> >> >> Note, that it is same number of characters to type.. but is much more >> clean, and less time expensive to code, >> because when you coding, you usually type first message: >> >> self foo: bar ` >> >> and then you realising that next message is binary and hence you need >> to go back to beginning of line and put open paren there: >> >> `( self foo: bar >> >> then again, go to the end of message, and continue typing: >> >> ( self foo: bar ` ) + 10 >> >> ` - is cursor position. >> >> so, it is much more keystrokes & navigation than just typing two >> semicolons :) >> >> P.S. don't burn me for my herecy, please :) > > This idea comes up every few years. This post sums up well the last attempt: > http://blog.3plus4.org/2007/08/30/message-chains/ . > > I don't think it's worth changing the syntax for this. IMHO 1-2 pairs of > parentheses usually improve readability. More parenthesis is rarely needed. > Also mixing ;; with ; makes the code harder to understand. Try this: self > foo ; bar ;; baz ; foo ;; bar ; baz. > this is incorrect syntax. > Note that the term 'continuation' means a totally different thing: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation . > It was called so in tiny smalltalk (if i remember), when i first learned a syntax. You name it. > > Levente > >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> Here is more examples (found by searching .sources file with 3 or more '(((' ). > > ContextPart>>handleSignal: > > (((self tempAt: 1) handles: exception) and: [self tempAt: 3]) ifFalse: [ > ^ self nextHandlerContext handleSignal: exception]. > > > self tempAt: 1 ;; handles: exception ;; and: [self tempAt: 3] ;; ifFalse: [ > ^ self nextHandlerContext handleSignal: exception]. What about this? ((self tempAt: 3) and: [ (self tempAt: 1) handles: exception ]) ifFalse: [ ^ self nextHandlerContext handleSignal: exception]. > > > Bezier3Segment. > > before: > > bezier2SegmentCount: pixelError > "Compute the number of quadratic bezier segments needed to approximate > this cubic with no more than a specified error" > | a | > a := (start x negated @ start y negated) + (3 * via1) - (3 * via2) + > (end). > ^ (((a r / (20.0 * pixelError)) raisedTo: 0.333333) ceiling) max: 1. > > after: > > bezier2SegmentCount: pixelError > "Compute the number of quadratic bezier segments needed to approximate > this cubic with no more than a specified error" > | a | > a := start x negated @ start y negated ;; + (3 * via1) - (3 * via2) + > end. > ^ a r / (20.0 * pixelError) raisedTo: 0.333333 ;; ceiling max: 1. There are 2 superfluous parenthesis in the original code (which you omitted in your code). Here's the same without them: ^(a r / (20.0 * pixelError) raisedTo: 0.333333) ceiling max: 1. If I want to be "tricky", I can even remove another parenthesis: ^(0.05 * a r / pixelError raisedTo: 0.333333) ceiling max: 1. > > > ZipArchive > > before: > > lastIndexOfPKSignature: aSignature in: data > "Answer the last index in data where aSignature (4 bytes long) > occurs, or 0 if not found" > | a b c d | > a := aSignature first. > b := aSignature second. > c := aSignature third. > d := aSignature fourth. > (data size - 3) to: 1 by: -1 do: [ :i | > (((data at: i) = a) > and: [ ((data at: i + 1) = b) > and: [ ((data at: i + 2) = c) > and: [ ((data at: i + 3) = d) ]]]) > ifTrue: [ ^i ] > ]. > ^0 > > after: > > lastIndexOfPKSignature: aSignature in: data > "Answer the last index in data where aSignature (4 bytes long) > occurs, or 0 if not found" > | a b c d | > a := aSignature first. > b := aSignature second. > c := aSignature third. > d := aSignature fourth. > data size - 3 to: 1 by: -1 do: [ :i | > data at: i ;; = a > and: [ data at: i + 1 ;; = b > and: [ data at: i + 2 ;; = c > and: [ data at: i + 3 ;; = d ]]] > ifTrue: [ ^i ] > ]. > ^0 Same as above, superfluous parenthesis. This is what you get after removing 5 of them and a bit of reformatting: data size - 3 to: 1 by: -1 do: [ :i | (data at: i) = a and: [ (data at: i + 1) = b and: [ (data at: i + 2) = c and: [ (data at: i + 3) = d ] ] ]) ifTrue: [ ^i ] ]. > > > Character > > before: > > asUppercase > "If the receiver is lowercase, answer its matching uppercase Character." > "A tentative implementation. Eventually this should consult the > Unicode table." > > | v | > v := self charCode. > (((8r141 <= v and: [v <= 8r172]) or: [16rE0 <= v and: [v <= 16rF6]]) > or: [16rF8 <= v and: [v <= 16rFE]]) > ifTrue: [^ Character value: value - 8r40] > ifFalse: [^ self] > > after: > > asUppercase > "If the receiver is lowercase, answer its matching uppercase Character." > "A tentative implementation. Eventually this should consult the > Unicode table." > > | v | > v := self charCode. > 8r141 <= v and: [v <= 8r172] ;; or: [16rE0 <= v and: [v <= 16rF6]] ;; > or: [16rF8 <= v and: [v <= 16rFE]] ;; > ifTrue: [^ Character value: value - 8r40] > ifFalse: [^ self] There's #between:and: or you can use better formatting to improve readability here: ((v between: 8r141 and: 8r172) or: [ v between: 16rE0 and: 16rF6 ] or: [ v between: 16rF8 and: 16rFE ]) ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. or ((8r141 <= v and: [ v <= 8r172 ]) or: [ (16rE0 <= v and: [ v <= 16rF6 ]) or: [ 16rF8 <= v and: [ v <= 16rFE ] ] ]) ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. Levente > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > |
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> On 1 November 2010 05:04, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote: snip >> foo ; bar ;; baz ; foo ;; bar ; baz. >> > this is incorrect syntax. This is correct: ((self foo; bar) baz; foo) bar; baz. Message chaining should be equivalent with this, shouldn't it? Levente > > >> Note that the term 'continuation' means a totally different thing: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation . >> > > It was called so in tiny smalltalk (if i remember), when i first > learned a syntax. You name it. > > >> >> Levente >> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > |
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On 1 November 2010 05:24, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > [snip] > > There's #between:and: or you can use better formatting to improve > readability here: > > ((v between: 8r141 and: 8r172) or: [ > v between: 16rE0 and: 16rF6 ] or: [ > v between: 16rF8 and: 16rFE ]) > ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. > > or > > ((8r141 <= v and: [ v <= 8r172 ]) or: [ > (16rE0 <= v and: [ v <= 16rF6 ]) or: [ > 16rF8 <= v and: [ v <= 16rFE ] ] ]) > ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. > > 8r141 <= v and: [ v <= 8r172 ] ;; or: [ 16rE0 <= v and: [ v <= 16rF6 ] ;; or: [ 16rF8 <= v and: [ v <= 16rFE ] ] ] ;; ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. i don't agree that it is less readable. I think you must get used to it before judging. Think in a way 'what if i tought it before, would it fell to me less readable than with parens?' > Levente > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On 1 November 2010 05:33, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 1 November 2010 05:04, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote: > > snip > >>> foo ; bar ;; baz ; foo ;; bar ; baz. >>> >> this is incorrect syntax. > > This is correct: ((self foo; bar) baz; foo) bar; baz. > Message chaining should be equivalent with this, shouldn't it? > yes, but continuation err.. chaining ';;' takes precedence before cascade ';' which means that you can write only as: self foo zork ;; bar ;; bum ; baz ; lz but not self foo zork ; bar ;; bum ; baz ;; lz otherwise you will also need to use parens to disambiguate nested cascades. > > Levente > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> On 1 November 2010 05:24, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> > [snip] >> >> There's #between:and: or you can use better formatting to improve >> readability here: >> >> ((v between: 8r141 and: 8r172) or: [ >> v between: 16rE0 and: 16rF6 ] or: [ >> v between: 16rF8 and: 16rFE ]) >> ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. >> >> or >> >> ((8r141 <= v and: [ v <= 8r172 ]) or: [ >> (16rE0 <= v and: [ v <= 16rF6 ]) or: [ >> 16rF8 <= v and: [ v <= 16rFE ] ] ]) >> ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. >> >> > you know, i could do the same in order to improve readability: > > 8r141 <= v and: [ v <= 8r172 ] ;; > or: [ 16rE0 <= v and: [ v <= 16rF6 ] ;; > or: [ 16rF8 <= v and: [ v <= 16rFE ] ] ] ;; > ifTrue: [ ^Character value: value - 8r40]. > > i don't agree that it is less readable. I think you must get used to > it before judging. > Think in a way 'what if i tought it before, would it fell to me less > readable than with parens?' In the current Squeak trunk: SystemNavigation default browseMethodsWithSourceString: '((((('. 0 methods SystemNavigation default browseMethodsWithSourceString: '(((('. 9 methods 4 of them use superfluous parenthesis in mathematical expressions 2 of them use parenthesis in suboptimal boolean expressions 1 of them uses parenthesis instead of cascades 1 of them can be simplified by changing the order of the methods. 1 of them can be simplified by not trying to express everything in a single line SystemNavigation default browseMethodsWithSourceString: '((('. 171 methods including all of the above SystemNavigation default browseMethodsWithSourceString: '(('. 2127 methods including all of the above There are 45499 methods in the image. The percentage of these methods is very low (0.38% for 3 or more parenthesis and 4.67% for 2 or more) and most of them can be simplified using the current syntax constructs. About the typing benefits: IMHO message chaining can only be useful for less than 5% of all methods. Of course you can use it when you only need a single parenthesis. 38.8% of all methods contain an opening parenthesis, but not all of them can be replaced with the message chain operator. Examples that can't be replaced: #(foo). #((foo)). $(. self foo: (self bar: baz). (foo := bar) baz. I think the actual number of methods where it can be used to make typing easier is about 10% of all methods. If you still think it's useful, then add the feature to the compiler and make it work like underscores in selector/variable names. Levente > >> Levente >> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > |
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> I don't think it's worth changing the syntax for this. IMHO 1-2 pairs of
> parentheses usually improve readability. + 1 Stef |
2010/11/2 Stéphane Rollandin <[hidden email]>:
>> I don't think it's worth changing the syntax for this. IMHO 1-2 pairs of >> parentheses usually improve readability. > > + 1 > I think the same. I don't know, if there was a discussion back in 70's about making such syntax which would allow chaining without using parens. Today, of course, is too late to bring that on plate. > Stef > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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i prefer the parenthesis...
self foo: bar ;; + 10 ;; baz does not look like ST code to me. a 1/2 cent ----- Original Message ---- From: Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <[hidden email]>; Pharo Development <[hidden email]> Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 7:37:33 PM Subject: [squeak-dev] [ENH] Syntax extension for continuations Hello, Out of curiosity, i tried to look how it would be hard to change parser to support extended continuation syntax. And it was quite simple, i had to change only single method! A new syntax using double semicolon ';;' to indicate a continuation. So, code like: self foo ;; bar ;; zork is equivalent to: self foo bar zork But when its going to binary, or keyword messages, it allows to write more clean code, because it not requires using parenthesis. For instance: (1/10) asFloat with new syntax can be written as: 1/10 ;; asFloat More complex example: ((self foo: bar) + 10 ) baz can be written as self foo: bar ;; + 10 ;; baz Note, that it is same number of characters to type.. but is much more clean, and less time expensive to code, because when you coding, you usually type first message: self foo: bar ` and then you realising that next message is binary and hence you need to go back to beginning of line and put open paren there: `( self foo: bar then again, go to the end of message, and continue typing: ( self foo: bar ` ) + 10 ` - is cursor position. so, it is much more keystrokes & navigation than just typing two semicolons :) P.S. don't burn me for my herecy, please :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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