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I've just released in MetacelloRepository the milestone I've wanted to reach. Now you can create your own interactive tutorial with ProfStef. How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial for that :D
ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial It was real fun to write this ! Cheers, Laurent _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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hahahahha your next step is to build a framework to build tutorials hahaha.
Seriously, this is very good material. We need to take care about newcomers, and this is an excellent way as also your videos. Cool to have it in next dev image :) 2010/1/21 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
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2010/1/21 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
Laurent: Adrian has a good idea. What about adding lessons (at the end) of the ProfStef that calls directly to
ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial For example, in the last lesson con can put something like: "Do you want to create your own interactive tutorial with ProfStef ? That's very easy!! How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial for that :D Jus evaluate the following code: ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial"
What do you think ? BTW, I found a problem with ProfStef. I select a piece of code, right button, and if I press extended search, the same popup raise again instead of going to the "extended search" popup. Can you reproduce it ? Cheers Mariano
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Hi Mariano,
Yes, we are thinking about listing all tutorials in a sexy way. Danny Chan has just started to contribute to ProfStef and he's working on this.
I can add you and/or Adrian as developper if you want. I have less time now so I may concentrate on pharocasts.
I will try. Thank you. Cheers, Laurent
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2010/1/27 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
Cool!! What I will do for the next image is to remove that little text to build your own tutorial, from the welcome workspace. I will only link to the ProfStef go. If you release a new version, please let me know so that I can include it in the image.
No problem. I won't have too much time to contribute, sorry :(
good luck with you new job :)
I reported a similar problem to Frederic in the NewInspector. Maybe you can fix it in the same way: http://n4.nabble.com/bug-with-Extended-Search-of-low-panel-of-new-inspector-tp1301090p1301090.html Cheers Mariano
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I forgot to ask....
Does the DEVImageWorkspaces openGettingStartedWorkspace still make sense having ProfStef ? Can you take a look and "merge" it to ProfStef if there is something cool not included by Stef ? :) I would like to have only one reference form the Pharo welcome workspace. Thanks Mariano On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Merging is good!
StefProf > I forgot to ask.... > > Does the DEVImageWorkspaces openGettingStartedWorkspace still make sense having ProfStef ? > > Can you take a look and "merge" it to ProfStef if there is something cool not included by Stef ? :) > > I would like to have only one reference form the Pharo welcome workspace. > > Thanks > > Mariano > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > 2010/1/27 laurent laffont <[hidden email]> > > Hi Mariano, > > > 2010/1/21 laurent laffont <[hidden email]> > I've just released in MetacelloRepository the milestone I've wanted to reach. Now you can create your own interactive tutorial with ProfStef. > How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial for that :D > > ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial > > > Laurent: Adrian has a good idea. What about adding lessons (at the end) of the ProfStef that calls directly to > ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial > > For example, in the last lesson con can put something like: > > "Do you want to create your own interactive tutorial with ProfStef ? That's very easy!! How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial for that :D > Jus evaluate the following code: > ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial" > > With this, I don't need to link to both codes from the welcome workspace to pharo image and also it would be also seen by more people. More people do the tutorial than those who had read this email ;) > > What do you think ? > > > Yes, we are thinking about listing all tutorials in a sexy way. Danny Chan has just started to contribute to ProfStef and he's working on this. > > > Cool!! What I will do for the next image is to remove that little text to build your own tutorial, from the welcome workspace. I will only link to the ProfStef go. > > If you release a new version, please let me know so that I can include it in the image. > > I can add you and/or Adrian as developper if you want. > > > No problem. I won't have too much time to contribute, sorry :( > > > I have less time now so I may concentrate on pharocasts. > > > good luck with you new job :) > > > > BTW, I found a problem with ProfStef. I select a piece of code, right button, and if I press extended search, the same popup raise again instead of going to the "extended search" popup. Can you reproduce it ? > > I will try. Thank you. > > > I reported a similar problem to Frederic in the NewInspector. Maybe you can fix it in the same way: > > http://n4.nabble.com/bug-with-Extended-Search-of-low-panel-of-new-inspector-tp1301090p1301090.html > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > > > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > It was real fun to write this ! > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2010/1/27 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> I forgot to ask.... I agree for merging I will put these snippets from getting started in ProfStef: 42 explore Date today explore 'abc' asUppercase. 'Hello World' reverse. There's cool comments too. I put global Read & Write on ProfStef so everybody can destroy it :) Laurent _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2010/1/27 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
Excellent. I will remove then the invocation to that workspace from the next dev image :)
Ok...
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El mié, 27-01-2010 a las 18:38 +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió: > I forgot to ask.... > > Does the DEVImageWorkspaces openGettingStartedWorkspace still make > sense having ProfStef ? > > Can you take a look and "merge" it to ProfStef if there is something > cool not included by Stef ? :) That would be cool. > > I would like to have only one reference form the Pharo welcome > workspace. > +1 > Thanks > > Mariano > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > 2010/1/27 laurent laffont <[hidden email]> > > Hi Mariano, > > > 2010/1/21 laurent laffont > <[hidden email]> > > I've just released in > MetacelloRepository the milestone I've > wanted to reach. Now you can create > your own interactive tutorial with > ProfStef. > How ? There's a ProfStef interactive > tutorial for that :D > > > ProfStef goOn: > HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial > > > > Laurent: Adrian has a good idea. What about > adding lessons (at the end) of the ProfStef > that calls directly to > ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial > > For example, in the last lesson con can put > something like: > > "Do you want to create your own interactive > tutorial with ProfStef ? That's very easy!! > How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial > for that :D > Jus evaluate the following code: > ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial" > > > With this, I don't need to link to both codes > from the welcome workspace to pharo image and > also it would be also seen by more people. > More people do the tutorial than those who had > read this email ;) > > What do you think ? > > > > > > Yes, we are thinking about listing all tutorials in a > sexy way. Danny Chan has just started to contribute to > ProfStef and he's working on this. > > > > Cool!! What I will do for the next image is to remove that > little text to build your own tutorial, from the welcome > workspace. I will only link to the ProfStef go. > > If you release a new version, please let me know so that I can > include it in the image. > > > I can add you and/or Adrian as developper if you want. > > > > No problem. I won't have too much time to contribute, sorry :( > > > > I have less time now so I may concentrate on > pharocasts. > > > > good luck with you new job :) > > > > > BTW, I found a problem with ProfStef. I select > a piece of code, right button, and if I press > extended search, the same popup raise again > instead of going to the "extended search" > popup. Can you reproduce it ? > > > > I will try. Thank you. > > > > I reported a similar problem to Frederic in the NewInspector. > Maybe you can fix it in the same way: > > http://n4.nabble.com/bug-with-Extended-Search-of-low-panel-of-new-inspector-tp1301090p1301090.html > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > > Cheers, > > > Laurent > > > > > > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > > It was real fun to write this ! > > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel Cobá http://miguel.leugim.com.mx _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Mariano, you can download last ProfTest package: - contextual menu simplified, IMHO better for a tutorial - I've added "Pharo environment" lesson - updated some examples + last slide from getting started workspace.
Cheers, Laurent 2010/1/27 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
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2010/1/27 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>
I agree.
Cool. Maybe in this lesson (23) yo can add to the contextual menu also the inspect it and browse it. what do you think ? This is cool because they see that the same they are doing from code, you can do it from UI. There is no difference at all. Both send the same message :)
Excellent. Little detail. You forgot to let the code as code color (without the comments) BTW, where do you keep this workspaces (the text) information ? Just in case I want to commit something Thanks!!! Mariano
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2010/1/27 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
It's a good idea. I'll try it.
You haven't do the HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial ?!?!?! :D Take a look at SmalltalkSyntaxTutorial, lessons category methods. Laurent.
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hahahahhaha no sorry :( I read the first tutorial only :) excellent !
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Hi all!
I have pushed a version to Monticello that has a bit of a GUI with nicer navigation, see the screenshot. I did not find out how to place the buttons better, and I don't know how to tell the tree morph to select another entry when I navigate through the lessons using the buttons or the workspace contents. Please tell me what you think about this. Since I know how little Smalltalk I really know, I certainly managed to destroy something, so please have a look and tell me what to do better. Here are a few ideas I've had, which I as a relative beginner would find really neat in an interactive tutorial application. As time allows, I would try to implement at least some of the points below: - Clickable items in the text window. So that a tutorial writer could for example write something like this: <code>SystemWindow new openInWorld</code> , and the code together with a button saying 'doit' would appear. So in principle a markup language for interactive tutorials which adds a bit of interesting short cut functionality and eye candy to the tutorial. - Tabbed browsing for having several tutorials opened at the same time - A button saying 'save lesson', that overwrites the appropriate method with the current state of the workspace; users can annotate the tutorial with their own notes or experiments; also the ability to add additional lessons - A button to push the current tutorial with all the additional annotations to a Monticello repository, from which future versions for everyone can be generated. Wiki for interactive tutorials! - Some additional functionality to generate a whole new tutorial from within the tutorial browser - (Semi-)Automatic update of tutorials - And, of course, many, many tutorials. Wouldn't it be great to have a tutorial for all the important and interesting aspects of a system, and even for every additional package you download? With the system Laurent designed, writing a tutorial is only so very slightly harder than writing example classes and methods, but so much more expressive and approacheable for someone new. Cheers, Danny Am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 19:00:25 schrieb laurent laffont: > 2010/1/27 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> > > > I forgot to ask.... > > > > Does the DEVImageWorkspaces openGettingStartedWorkspace still make > > sense having ProfStef ? > > > > Can you take a look and "merge" it to ProfStef if there is something cool > > not included by Stef ? :) > > > > I would like to have only one reference form the Pharo welcome workspace. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mariano > > I agree for merging > > I will put these snippets from getting started in ProfStef: > 42 explore > Date today explore > 'abc' asUppercase. > 'Hello World' reverse. > > There's cool comments too. > > I put global Read & Write on ProfStef so everybody can destroy it :) > > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Hi Danny, I have pushed a version to Monticello that has a bit of a GUI with nicer The GUI you write is great, it push ProfStef from an interactive tutorial to an integrated help system. But :) I think we should keep the idea of the interactive tutorial (the basic LessonView) using ProfStef go. Because ProfStef go is a little game, it must be attractive, funny. I like the idea of ProfStef which talk to the user and interact. My inspiration was http://tryruby.org/
So IMHO you should put all your changes in a new class, like TutorialBrowser. So we will have: - "ProfStef go" for the interactive tutorial - "TutorialBrowser open" for the pseudo-help system.
This way we can keep existing classes clean. And take care of unit tests and class comments :) . Cheers, Laurent
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I like what I see...As the number of tutorials goes up there might be the need for more nesting levels (Library-->Books-->Chapters->>Lessons?) and a search feature ... just thinking out loud. In putting together a couple of ProfStef tutorials last weekend, I found that I'd like to be able to #goto a lesson (out of sequence), essentially hitting a branch point where the student can skip a set of lessons or move to a different set of lessons. My thought was something like: ProfStef goto: #lesson15 "jump to lesson15" ProfStef push: AnotherTutorial "start AnotherTutorial in-place" ProfStef pop "exit AnotherTutorial and return push point" ProfStef push: AnotherTutorial to: #lesson15 "start AnotherTutorial at lesson15" Since goto doesn't exist yet, I ended up doing a #goOn to another tutorial when I hit a branch in the lesson, but that leads to an unnecessary explosion in the number of tutorials I had to create. Good work! Dale ----- "Danny Chan" <[hidden email]> wrote: | Hi all! | I have pushed a version to Monticello that has a bit of a GUI with | nicer | navigation, see the screenshot. I did not find out how to place the | buttons | better, and I don't know how to tell the tree morph to select another | entry | when I navigate through the lessons using the buttons or the workspace | | contents. Please tell me what you think about this. Since I know how | little | Smalltalk I really know, I certainly managed to destroy something, so | please | have a look and tell me what to do better. | | Here are a few ideas I've had, which I as a relative beginner would | find really | neat in an interactive tutorial application. As time allows, I would | try to | implement at least some of the points below: | | - Clickable items in the text window. So that a tutorial writer could | for | example write something like this: | <code>SystemWindow new openInWorld</code> | , and the code together with a button saying 'doit' would appear. So | in | principle a markup language for interactive tutorials which adds a bit | of | interesting short cut functionality and eye candy to the tutorial. | | - Tabbed browsing for having several tutorials opened at the same | time | | - A button saying 'save lesson', that overwrites the appropriate | method with | the current state of the workspace; users can annotate the tutorial | with their | own notes or experiments; also the ability to add additional lessons | | - A button to push the current tutorial with all the additional | annotations to | a Monticello repository, from which future versions for everyone can | be | generated. Wiki for interactive tutorials! | | - Some additional functionality to generate a whole new tutorial from | within | the tutorial browser | | - (Semi-)Automatic update of tutorials | | - And, of course, many, many tutorials. Wouldn't it be great to have a | | tutorial for all the important and interesting aspects of a system, | and even | for every additional package you download? With the system Laurent | designed, | writing a tutorial is only so very slightly harder than writing | example | classes and methods, but so much more expressive and approacheable for | someone | new. | | Cheers, Danny | | | Am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 19:00:25 schrieb laurent laffont: | > 2010/1/27 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> | > | > > I forgot to ask.... | > > | > > Does the DEVImageWorkspaces openGettingStartedWorkspace still | make | > > sense having ProfStef ? | > > | > > Can you take a look and "merge" it to ProfStef if there is | something cool | > > not included by Stef ? :) | > > | > > I would like to have only one reference form the Pharo welcome | workspace. | > > | > > Thanks | > > | > > Mariano | > | > I agree for merging | > | > I will put these snippets from getting started in ProfStef: | > 42 explore | > Date today explore | > 'abc' asUppercase. | > 'Hello World' reverse. | > | > There's cool comments too. | > | > I put global Read & Write on ProfStef so everybody can destroy it | :) | > | > | > Laurent | > | | _______________________________________________ | Pharo-project mailing list | [hidden email] | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Danny: You don't have an idea of how much important this is for the Pharo community. Having good documentation, tutorials and so on, is a KEY aspect from my point of view. So thanks to Laurent for the initiative and you for the work too.
Regarding your changes, I like them. I have a couple of thoughts: - I would revome the buttons to go next and return. Actually, I wouldn't just remove the "next" button until it was not first done by code. Then you can show it (for that lesson). There are some places where the author has to think to go to the text lesson. For example, in the double cascade method. So, if you have the button...that good trick has no sense. - I really like the idea that when someone does a tool, it can register its own tutorial somewhere. Then you can browse all the tutorials. Take this 3 examples: * WorkingSets from Romain: there is a cool workspace that explains that. But....who see it ? nobody.... * Algernon. The same. It has a welcome workspace. Who see it ? nobody * ScriptManager: the same So...I would really love that each of those projects can define in a class side initialize method for example, something like this: Algernon class >> initialize ProfStef registerNewTutorial: self algernonTutorial. ProfStef registerNewTutorial: aTutorial self addTutorial: aTutorial or something like that... BTW, can someone create tutorials for that? the workspaces are already written, so maybe it is too much work. - I found a little bug in the UI. If you double click on a lesson, a debugger comes. Can you reproduce it ? - Maybe you can integrate this in "Tools -> More -> ProfStef Tutorials" - For Pharo 1.0 release, I will include the workspace version (the old one) as I don't want to incorporate new stuff. Only IMPORTANT bug fixes. But of course, it will included in next images. Continue with your work!!! Cheers Mariano 2010/1/28 Danny Chan <[hidden email]> Hi all! _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
> Danny: You don't have an idea of how much important this is for the > Pharo community. Having good documentation, tutorials and so on, is a > KEY aspect from my point of view. So thanks to Laurent for the > initiative and you for the work too. yes!! + 1000 > > Algernon class >> initialize > ProfStef registerNewTutorial: self algernonTutorial. > > ProfStef registerNewTutorial: aTutorial > self addTutorial: aTutorial > > or something like that... But this kind of registration can be problematic. Maybe a pragma could be useful here. It gives the possibility to discover on the fly all existing tutorials when the ui is opened. Something like this: Each package can define each own tutorial entry point method like this: AlgernonTutorial class>>MyCooooolTutorial <tutorial> bla bla bla then with: (PragmaCollector filter: [:pragma | pragma keyword = 'tutorial']) reset you get all existing methods with a <tutorial> pragma. And no need to manage any registration/unregistration. Cheers Alain _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Looks cool!
Stef On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Danny Chan wrote: > Hi all! > I have pushed a version to Monticello that has a bit of a GUI with nicer > navigation, see the screenshot. I did not find out how to place the buttons > better, and I don't know how to tell the tree morph to select another entry > when I navigate through the lessons using the buttons or the workspace > contents. Please tell me what you think about this. Since I know how little > Smalltalk I really know, I certainly managed to destroy something, so please > have a look and tell me what to do better. > > Here are a few ideas I've had, which I as a relative beginner would find really > neat in an interactive tutorial application. As time allows, I would try to > implement at least some of the points below: > > - Clickable items in the text window. So that a tutorial writer could for > example write something like this: > <code>SystemWindow new openInWorld</code> > , and the code together with a button saying 'doit' would appear. So in > principle a markup language for interactive tutorials which adds a bit of > interesting short cut functionality and eye candy to the tutorial. > > - Tabbed browsing for having several tutorials opened at the same time > > - A button saying 'save lesson', that overwrites the appropriate method with > the current state of the workspace; users can annotate the tutorial with their > own notes or experiments; also the ability to add additional lessons > > - A button to push the current tutorial with all the additional annotations to > a Monticello repository, from which future versions for everyone can be > generated. Wiki for interactive tutorials! > > - Some additional functionality to generate a whole new tutorial from within > the tutorial browser > > - (Semi-)Automatic update of tutorials > > - And, of course, many, many tutorials. Wouldn't it be great to have a > tutorial for all the important and interesting aspects of a system, and even > for every additional package you download? With the system Laurent designed, > writing a tutorial is only so very slightly harder than writing example > classes and methods, but so much more expressive and approacheable for someone > new. > > Cheers, Danny > > > Am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 19:00:25 schrieb laurent laffont: >> 2010/1/27 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> >> >>> I forgot to ask.... >>> >>> Does the DEVImageWorkspaces openGettingStartedWorkspace still make >>> sense having ProfStef ? >>> >>> Can you take a look and "merge" it to ProfStef if there is something cool >>> not included by Stef ? :) >>> >>> I would like to have only one reference form the Pharo welcome workspace. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mariano >> >> I agree for merging >> >> I will put these snippets from getting started in ProfStef: >> 42 explore >> Date today explore >> 'abc' asUppercase. >> 'Hello World' reverse. >> >> There's cool comments too. >> >> I put global Read & Write on ProfStef so everybody can destroy it :) >> >> >> Laurent >> > <ProfStef.jpeg>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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