[Fwd: Re: RE : looking for some advice on teaching Squeak toadvancedhigh school kids]

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Hi all,

Sorry, the last messages only went to Pierre instead of the all list.
(Could the default value of 'reply to' be changed for the list instead
of the person who is answering in the thread?)

Cheers,

Offray
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Hi all,

Sorry for the late response. This last two weeks are the more busy in
the semester because of the final activities (exams, notes, and last
meetings and conferences).

I have been teaching to first semesters teenager students with Squeak.
For me the most important thing of Squeak in a learning context is the
way it gives more or less continuous metaphors (at least in the same
image) to teach about programming concepts and of course how programming
is not a end by itseft but a way to understand, express and transform
ideas (most of them associated to science, but for example we made a
narrative experiment this semester).

When there is little time, I think that there is a need to bet on
aesthetic part of the experience. If we can provide a valuable aesthetic
experience this can motivate future learning by the students and even
motivate them to be part of an extended community which goes more far
away that classroom limits of time of space (for me this is the more
difficult part).

My students has not much previous experience with programming and in any
case they have not been participating in programming competences, but
all of them find fun in Etoys and Bots Inc. programming, so may be in a
so little time, a mix of this two environments in small project, making
not only title programming but also textual one, would be a nice thing
to try. What I always try to do is give them a quick glimpse of etoys,
then I go to basics of Bots Inc and after that we made a collective
project to be solved for all, making different contributions to the
project, and also this project/digital artifact try to have life by its
own, even if the semester has finished, so it can be retaken by other
students or continued by the same, even if this is not part of their
classes any more. May be you, Oscar, can compress all this in some way
in a day and half session. The important thing is to think in this
project -- generative theme. We have tried two:

 * MazeSquead[1]: The robots of Bots Inc. have to build and escape from
a labyrinth in a collective fashion (similar to a Pingus Clone[2])

 [1] http://www.eduwiki.info/MazeSquad2
 [2] http://pingus.seul.org/

 * Dramabotica[3]: The Bots Inc robots dress for drama!. We're using the
robots to tell a story:

 [3] http://www.eduwiki.info/Dramabotica


In both cases the algorithmic part is not the best, there is a lot of
code to be improved as the understanding of Squeak and Smalltalk gets
better, but this two semesters I was more interested in the exploration
of the projects and the pedagogical possibilities.

I hope this helps in some way.

Cheers,

Offray


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On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:38 , Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry, the last messages only went to Pierre instead of the all list.
> (Could the default value of 'reply to' be changed for the list instead
> of the person who is answering in the thread?)

No. Privacy is more important than convenience.

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really cool.
I will really try over christmas to release the part of the book I  
never published and its associated miniworld: A robot in a maze :)

Stef

On 3 déc. 07, at 10:38, Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote:

>  * MazeSquead[1]: The robots of Bots Inc. have to build and escape  
> from
> a labyrinth in a collective fashion (similar to a Pingus Clone[2])
>
>  [1] http://www.eduwiki.info/MazeSquad2
>  [2] http://pingus.seul.org/


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Hi,

I like you liked it. Your book has been an inspiring source of work and
fun for me and my students and one of the best Christmas gift to myself
:). It would be really, really, a pleasure to work on an Spanish
translation, for the moment I'm working on Squeak by Example, which has
the proper license for that. Which will be the license of the new part?
I know that is more a publisher's problem, but if in some way I can help
with the "liberation and translation" of your excellent book, count me on!.

Thanks,

Offray

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On 4 déc. 07, at 09:06, Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote:

excellent.
If you need an infrastructure for that I'm sure that squarebracket =  
oscar can host the svn for the translation.
We are hosting the french translation there.

> Which will be the license of the new part?

totally open as the SBE book. It was a mistake to go with a publisher.

> I know that is more a publisher's problem, but if in some way I can  
> help
> with the "liberation and translation" of your excellent book, count  
> me on!.

I tried to ask them (at least 10 times) how much it would cost for me  
to buy the rights
of my book. And I got no reply. Sad but true

Stef


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Hi,

Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Well... the mail was send to a public list, I think that people is
willing to make a public discussion then.

Cheers,

Offray
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