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I am sorry to report that GSOC reject our application this year. I am trying to get some feedback as to why we failed this year while being successful in the past two. I will also try to learn how we may improve our chances for future years.
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On 18.03.2009, at 23:30, askoh wrote:
> I am sorry to report that GSOC reject our application this year. I > am trying > to get some feedback as to why we failed this year while being > successful in > the past two. I will also try to learn how we may improve our > chances for > future years. Ah, too bad. Thanks for your efforts! I heard that Google accepted fewer organizations than last year. For example, OLPC did not get in either. But SugarLabs made it, and Etoys/Squeak is part of Sugar. So if some student would want to apply for that, to work on, say, building a framework to develop Sugar activities in Squeak, I'd be all ears. - Bert - |
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Possible reasons for our failure can be seen here:
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/our-fifth-google-summer-of-code-meet.html They wanted larger groups. They dropped old groups for new ones. Community engagement is critical. Aik-Siong Koh |
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Thanks Bert. Great idea.
As Bert suggested, nothing prevents us from joining other groups that do work that interests us. It might even be good to expose others to Squeak when we join them. Any one knows of other groups that can use Squeak mentors and students? All the best, Aik-Siong Koh |
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Hi Aik-Siong,
I am the founder of the Hawthorne Center for Innovation in the Southern California area. I also applied for GSoC 2009. The Center has a whole "wish-list" of Squeak-based projects we would have liked to have gotten funded. I would be interested in connecting up for next year's program. I found Squeak on the web in the fall of 2005 while searching through wiki frameworks for the 20 years of history I had harvested and wanted to get onto the web. While surfing I ran into Swiki and from there I soon ran into the then newly-published book by Stephane Ducasse, Squeak: Learn Programming with Robots. I was so excited! - I had started the Center to work with homeschooled kids in my area and had wanted to develop a robotics program that didn't involve the expense of buying Mindstorms or Logo. When I got the book, being a non-geek, I could barely understand what was being discussed, but there were pictures and I could at least figure out that I was finally in the right ballpark! I handed the book over to my Principal Research Scientist-in-Residence, Ben Cooper, who also got excited; we got hold of every piece of literature on Smalltalk that we could. After 6 months of intensive study, Ben started to head a weekly workshop here at the Center for kids on Squeak. Now, 3 + years later, the Center has morphed into a small research institute helping to support the work of a group of internationally-placed Squeakers and Ben has started a collaborative arrangement with a student form the University of Missouri-Rolla to create lessons for introducing Squeak to kids form 8 to 80 which will provide the experience of "painlessly" learning of the principles of computer science while having fun with graphics. At present, I don't have much on my website; in a couple of days, I will have the alpha version of the first lesson up at www.hawcenter.org. I will also put up the "wish list " that I would have posted for GSoC 2009. I will include more about on-going Squeak-projects being worked on through the Center including the data structure Ben is writing for my history wiki (as yet unnamed). Looking forward to any relationship, Donna Schrokosch ----- Original Message ----- From: "askoh" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] GSOC 2009 not accepted > > Thanks Bert. Great idea. > > As Bert suggested, nothing prevents us from joining other groups that do > work that interests us. It might even be good to expose others to Squeak > when we join them. > > Any one knows of other groups that can use Squeak mentors and students? > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/GSOC-2009-not-accepted-tp22589998p22600985.html > Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > |
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Donna:
Yes, we can help each other. Google seems to be looking for bigger groups that have critical mass. So do post in the Squeak mailing lists and let us see your foundations work. We need to show our activities throughout the year and not just before GSOC. All the best, Aik-Siong Koh |
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Aik-Siong
Ok. I will keep the list informed of the Center's activities. And will have the first lessons up, as I say, hopefully by Monday. Thanks, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "askoh" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] GSOC 2009 not accepted > > Donna: > > Yes, we can help each other. Google seems to be looking for bigger groups > that have critical mass. So do post in the Squeak mailing lists and let us > see your foundations work. We need to show our activities throughout the > year and not just before GSOC. > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/GSOC-2009-not-accepted-tp22589998p22607838.html > Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > |
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Feedback from Leslie and my response. Aik-Siong Koh
Leslie: Thanks for your reply. We do appreciate the past support for Squeak. We will continue to improve and try again. Let us know if you have any suggestions for us. All the best, Aik-Siong Koh > Hello Aik-Siong, > > Thank you for your email. I am afraid the feedback I will have for you > will > not be very satisfying. We simply chose not to accept some organizations > this year that we had in the past, and Squeak was one that was debated for > quite awhile. We are varying the mix of projects each year and as we > decided > to accept fewer organizations this year - down to 150 - we were forced to > make some very tough decisions. Your application was good and we sincerely > thank you for all that you have done in the past with Google Summer of > Code. > > > With best regards, > LH > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Aik-Siong Koh <askoh@askoh.com> wrote: > >> Leslie: >> >> I just found out that Squeak Smalltalk has been rejected after two very >> successful years with GSOC. Google Malaysia even interviewed one of our >> project students. And all our last year's projects completed with >> significant results. >> >> How can I and the Squeak community get feedback on the cause? >> >> Thanks, >> Aik-Siong Koh >> Squeak Smalltalk admin >> >> > > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > I blog here: > > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com - http://www.hawthornlandings.org > |
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Hi Donna,
its great to hear what you are doing! From your mail I assume you are using Squeak with BotsInc and the Smalltalk delvelopment environment? Are you doing that with 8-year-old kids? Are you using Etoys, the tile-scripting environment as well? I would like to know whats on your wish-list! We founded Squeakland Foundation this year to (among other things) promote Squeak-Etoys, create educational material, and build an online community of Etoys users world wide. With that, we are looking in many directions, for instance, the use of Etoys in the classroom, wherefore we create material for teachers aligned with the curriculum, or the use by the kids themselves at home, so I think that Etoys would be a very useful tool for homeschooled kids. What do you think? Greetings, Rita [hidden email] wrote: > Hi Aik-Siong, > > I am the founder of the Hawthorne Center for Innovation in the > Southern California area. I also applied for GSoC 2009. The Center has > a whole "wish-list" of Squeak-based projects we would have liked to > have gotten funded. I would be interested in connecting up for next > year's program. > > I found Squeak on the web in the fall of 2005 while searching through > wiki frameworks for the 20 years of history I had harvested and wanted > to get onto the web. While surfing I ran into Swiki and from there I > soon ran into the then newly-published book by Stephane Ducasse, > Squeak: Learn Programming with Robots. I was so excited! - I had > started the Center to work with homeschooled kids in my area and had > wanted to develop a robotics program that didn't involve the expense > of buying Mindstorms or Logo. > > When I got the book, being a non-geek, I could barely understand what > was being discussed, but there were pictures and I could at least > figure out that I was finally in the right ballpark! I handed the book > over to my Principal Research Scientist-in-Residence, Ben Cooper, who > also got excited; we got hold of every piece of literature on > Smalltalk that we could. After 6 months of intensive study, Ben > started to head a weekly workshop here at the Center for kids on Squeak. > > Now, 3 + years later, the Center has morphed into a small research > institute helping to support the work of a group of > internationally-placed Squeakers and Ben has started a collaborative > arrangement with a student form the University of Missouri-Rolla to > create lessons for introducing Squeak to kids form 8 to 80 which will > provide the experience of "painlessly" learning of the principles of > computer science while having fun with graphics. > > At present, I don't have much on my website; in a couple of days, I > will have the alpha version of the first lesson up at > www.hawcenter.org. I will also put up the "wish list " that I would > have posted for GSoC 2009. I will include more about on-going > Squeak-projects being worked on through the Center including the data > structure Ben is writing for my history wiki (as yet unnamed). > > Looking forward to any relationship, > > Donna Schrokosch > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "askoh" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] GSOC 2009 not accepted > > >> >> Thanks Bert. Great idea. >> >> As Bert suggested, nothing prevents us from joining other groups that do >> work that interests us. It might even be good to expose others to Squeak >> when we join them. >> >> Any one knows of other groups that can use Squeak mentors and students? >> >> All the best, >> Aik-Siong Koh >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/GSOC-2009-not-accepted-tp22589998p22600985.html >> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> > > > -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universität Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html |
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On 2009-03-18 23:56, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> On 18.03.2009, at 23:30, askoh wrote: > >> I am sorry to report that GSOC reject our application this year. I am >> trying >> to get some feedback as to why we failed this year while being >> successful in >> the past two. I will also try to learn how we may improve our chances >> for >> future years. > > > Ah, too bad. Thanks for your efforts! > > I heard that Google accepted fewer organizations than last year. For > example, OLPC did not get in either. > > But SugarLabs made it, and Etoys/Squeak is part of Sugar. So if some > student would want to apply for that, to work on, say, building a > framework to develop Sugar activities in Squeak, I'd be all ears. Karl |
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