Google Summer Of Code 2010 news!!!

>
>     4) Build a continuous integration server using Seaside, Iliad or
>     AidaWeb.  Build an interface to version control systems (possibly
>     supporting both independent systems such as Monticello or
>     file-based such as svn/CVS/git) that can be used from Smalltalk
>     and integrate it with Smalllint code reports.  For a more
>     ambitious project, the server should be able to start a new image,
>     upgrade the package, run SUnit tests there and communicate back
>     the results---the time to upgrade the package should be minimized
>     of course!
>
>
> Are you aware of this two projects ? I don't know other dialects but
> in Pharo they work:
>
> - http://n4.nabble.com/Interim-build-server-td1296834.html#a1296834
> -
> http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-Hudson-continuous-integration-server-support-td1296910.html#a1296910
>
>  
>
>
>     5) Work on a cross-dialect foreign function call interface and
>     implement it in at least two dialects.  Candidates include Alien
>     and GNU Smalltalk's CObject (using existing implementation has the
>     advantage of having to implement in only _one_ other dialect!).
>      Bonus points for implementing a C parser that would be able to
>     construct bindings.  GNU Smalltalk already contains a C
>     preprocessor implementation.
>
>
> Yes!!! And make it (optionally at least) not to block the complete VM
> while a function is being called.
>
> Cheers

>
>      4) Build a continuous integration server using Seaside, Iliad or
>      AidaWeb.  Build an interface to version control systems (possibly
>      supporting both independent systems such as Monticello or
>      file-based such as svn/CVS/git) that can be used from Smalltalk
>      and integrate it with Smalllint code reports.  For a more
>      ambitious project, the server should be able to start a new image,
>      upgrade the package, run SUnit tests there and communicate back
>      the results---the time to upgrade the package should be minimized
>      of course!
>
>
> Are you aware of this two projects ? I don't know other dialects but in
> Pharo they work:
>
> http://n4.nabble.com/Interim-build-server-td1296834.html#a1296834
> http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-Hudson-continuous-integration-server-support-td1296910.html#a1296910

>> We think that one of the most important reasons why we failed in 2009 is
>> that Google was looking for bigger communities that Squeak. This is why
>> this year we all go under the ESUG umbrella. We present ESUG as the
>> mentor organization and we cover ALL open-source Smalltalk dialects, not
>> only Squeak. Pharo, Smalltalk/X, GNU Smalltalk, Cuis..they are all
>> invited to participate. Also cross platform projects like Seaside,
>> AidaWeb, Magma, etc are welcome.
>
> Here is a list of ideas from me, all more or less involving cross-dialect
> pollination.  These are based on my preferences, from most to least
> preferred
>
> 1) GNU Smalltalk includes a refactored version of Swazoo that supports SCGI
> and is also faster in general.  Start from there and backport the changes to
> Squeak/Pharo.  Use Seaside's Grease cross-dialect compatibility layer to get
> rid of (most of) the Sport dependency.
>
> 2) Convert existing cross-platform projects to use Grease.  Demonstrate them
> using two-three dialects (VW, Squeak, GST).  Discuss possible extensions to
> Grease and implement them.  Document Grease extension based on the formalism
> of the ANSI standard.
>
> 3) I agreed with the FSF to relicense GNU Smalltalk's file system classes
> under MIT license.  Port them to at least two other dialects (Squeak/Pharo
> count as one).  Think of cool ways to use them.  Possibly work out how to
> integrate them into Grease and make Seaside use them.

> Hi smalltalkers. I have been asked to be the admin of GSoC 2010. The backup
> or second admin is Janko Mivšek. As you may know, Squeak has participated in
> GSoC 2007, 2008 but failed (not accepted) in 2009. We are not sure if we
> will succeed this year but we will try to do as much as possible.
>
> We think that one of the most important reasons why we failed in 2009 is
> that Google was looking for bigger communities that Squeak. This is why this
> year we all go under the ESUG umbrella. We present ESUG as the mentor
> organization and we cover ALL open-source Smalltalk dialects, not only
> Squeak. Pharo, Smalltalk/X, GNU Smalltalk, Cuis..they are all invited to
> participate. Also cross platform projects like Seaside, AidaWeb, Magma, etc
> are welcome.
>
> <forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
> It is a Google program that support (money) students to work on different
> open-source projects. Google doesn't talk or manage directly to the students
> but trough "Mentoring Organisations". Those organizations have to apply to
> GSoC. They have to give a lot of information, included a list of
> ideas/projects. Each project has a description and a mentor. Then the
> students apply for each project. If the organization gets selected by Google
> they will tell you how many "slots" they give. Suppose they give 5 but we
> have 20 projects....then we vote and the most voted projects win. The
> student has to do the project and the mentor has to help and guide him. The
> mentor receives 500 USD and the student 4500USD.
> For more information read: http://code.google.com/soc/
> </forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
>
> The most important thing is the deadlines we have. We started late so we are
> very near to the first deadline which is 12/03/2010 (less than one week).
> For that deadline we need to submit all the information of the mentor
> organization (answering several questions) and give the list of
> ideas/projects and the mentors of that.
>
> We have created a webpage (Thanks Janko!!) where we will put all the
> information. We will make this page public soon (we still need to review a
> couple of things).
> But for the moment we would REALLY appreciate if tell us your ideas. To do
> this, just answer to this email. Then we will collect the information and
> put in the website. For each idea you need:  a short title and a paragraph
> (for the moment) explaining the idea.
> After, we need that the people that are willing to be mentors start to apply
> as mentors...please, consider yourself being mentor. Sometimes it is not
> that difficult. I mean, don't be shy as sometimes being helpful, being aware
> of the dates, answering emails, etc is more important than the Smalltalk
> knoweldege. We can have a lot of ideas, but we need also mentors for that.
> We even would need a "substitute" for each mentor...
>
> Just as an example you can see the ideas of the previous years:
> 2007: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5936
> 2008: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6031
> 2009: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6120
>
> That's all for the moment.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mariano
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>
>

> I know the deadline approaches, however- how does the community feel
> about a project to implement a real demonstration system (along the
> lines of defunct Sushi store)? Presumably in Seaside, but whichever
> framework the community/mentor/student decided on. With a nice
> interface using (again presumptively) jQueryUI to give a pleasant
> end-user experience. Similarly implementing a persistence solution.
> The idea is to present potential newcomers to Smalltalk with a viable
> stack that could be picked up as is, to give a starting point for
> developing web applications. Potentially they could simply make a
> hosted copy, on the same server.
>
> The idea would be that on the various examples page, you could access
> an e-commerce site running a Smalltalk technology stack. Ideally
> really selling something Smalltalk related, (proceeds to eg ESUG),
> maybe also an Amazon affiliate page . If you liked it, you could copy
> the whole project, change eg your Paypal details, change your
> products, and be in business. (Obviously there are real world
> considerations - this is the concept). And coders looking for examples
> would see code that was fully completed, not onClick: (... some alert
> saying you clicked but no real example of how to handle it, eg how to
> transfer the order line details to the payments server).
>
> I think it would do wonders for the take-up of Smalltalk.
>
> If people like the idea in general, I'm happy to write up the brief. I
> don't think i'm the right person for the mentor, but you know who you
> are ;)
>
> For the student, they would get experience in implementing the
> application itself , as well as assembling the stack. They could be
> the next Auctomatic founders.
>
> Do people think it's useful for me to develop a proposal?
>
> Cheers,   ..Stan
>
> PS I realise that picking a component as part of the stack is fraught
> with possibilities of offending supporters of an alternative project.
> But more Smalltalkers overall means more potential users of each
> project
>
>
> On 6 March 2010 12:04, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi smalltalkers. I have been asked to be the admin of GSoC 2010. The backup
> > or second admin is Janko Mivšek. As you may know, Squeak has participated in
> > GSoC 2007, 2008 but failed (not accepted) in 2009. We are not sure if we
> > will succeed this year but we will try to do as much as possible.
> >
> > We think that one of the most important reasons why we failed in 2009 is
> > that Google was looking for bigger communities that Squeak. This is why this
> > year we all go under the ESUG umbrella. We present ESUG as the mentor
> > organization and we cover ALL open-source Smalltalk dialects, not only
> > Squeak. Pharo, Smalltalk/X, GNU Smalltalk, Cuis..they are all invited to
> > participate. Also cross platform projects like Seaside, AidaWeb, Magma, etc
> > are welcome.
> >
> > <forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
> > It is a Google program that support (money) students to work on different
> > open-source projects. Google doesn't talk or manage directly to the students
> > but trough "Mentoring Organisations". Those organizations have to apply to
> > GSoC. They have to give a lot of information, included a list of
> > ideas/projects. Each project has a description and a mentor. Then the
> > students apply for each project. If the organization gets selected by Google
> > they will tell you how many "slots" they give. Suppose they give 5 but we
> > have 20 projects....then we vote and the most voted projects win. The
> > student has to do the project and the mentor has to help and guide him. The
> > mentor receives 500 USD and the student 4500USD.
> > For more information read: http://code.google.com/soc/
> > </forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
> >
> > The most important thing is the deadlines we have. We started late so we are
> > very near to the first deadline which is 12/03/2010 (less than one week).
> > For that deadline we need to submit all the information of the mentor
> > organization (answering several questions) and give the list of
> > ideas/projects and the mentors of that.
> >
> > We have created a webpage (Thanks Janko!!) where we will put all the
> > information. We will make this page public soon (we still need to review a
> > couple of things).
> > But for the moment we would REALLY appreciate if tell us your ideas. To do
> > this, just answer to this email. Then we will collect the information and
> > put in the website. For each idea you need:  a short title and a paragraph
> > (for the moment) explaining the idea.
> > After, we need that the people that are willing to be mentors start to apply
> > as mentors...please, consider yourself being mentor. Sometimes it is not
> > that difficult. I mean, don't be shy as sometimes being helpful, being aware
> > of the dates, answering emails, etc is more important than the Smalltalk
> > knoweldege. We can have a lot of ideas, but we need also mentors for that.
> > We even would need a "substitute" for each mentor...
> >
> > Just as an example you can see the ideas of the previous years:
> > 2007: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5936
> > 2008: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6031
> > 2009: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6120
> >
> > That's all for the moment.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Mariano
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> >
>
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> I know the deadline approaches, however- how does the community feel
> about a project to implement a real demonstration system (along the
> lines of defunct Sushi store)? Presumably in Seaside, but whichever
> framework the community/mentor/student decided on. With a nice
> interface using (again presumptively) jQueryUI to give a pleasant
> end-user experience. Similarly implementing a persistence solution.
> The idea is to present potential newcomers to Smalltalk with a viable
> stack that could be picked up as is, to give a starting point for
> developing web applications. Potentially they could simply make a
> hosted copy, on the same server.

> The idea would be that on the various examples page, you could access
> an e-commerce site running a Smalltalk technology stack. Ideally
> really selling something Smalltalk related, (proceeds to eg ESUG),
> maybe also an Amazon affiliate page . If you liked it, you could copy
> the whole project, change eg your Paypal details, change your
> products, and be in business. (Obviously there are real world
> considerations - this is the concept). And coders looking for examples
> would see code that was fully completed, not onClick: (... some alert
> saying you clicked but no real example of how to handle it, eg how to
> transfer the order line details to the payments server).
>
> I think it would do wonders for the take-up of Smalltalk.
>
> If people like the idea in general, I'm happy to write up the brief. I
> don't think i'm the right person for the mentor, but you know who you
> are ;)
>
> For the student, they would get experience in implementing the
> application itself , as well as assembling the stack. They could be
> the next Auctomatic founders.
>
> Do people think it's useful for me to develop a proposal?

>
> Cheers,   ..Stan
>
> PS I realise that picking a component as part of the stack is fraught
> with possibilities of offending supporters of an alternative project.
> But more Smalltalkers overall means more potential users of each
> project
>
>
> On 6 March 2010 12:04, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi smalltalkers. I have been asked to be the admin of GSoC 2010. The backup
>> or second admin is Janko Mivšek. As you may know, Squeak has participated in
>> GSoC 2007, 2008 but failed (not accepted) in 2009. We are not sure if we
>> will succeed this year but we will try to do as much as possible.
>>
>> We think that one of the most important reasons why we failed in 2009 is
>> that Google was looking for bigger communities that Squeak. This is why this
>> year we all go under the ESUG umbrella. We present ESUG as the mentor
>> organization and we cover ALL open-source Smalltalk dialects, not only
>> Squeak. Pharo, Smalltalk/X, GNU Smalltalk, Cuis..they are all invited to
>> participate. Also cross platform projects like Seaside, AidaWeb, Magma, etc
>> are welcome.
>>
>> <forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
>> It is a Google program that support (money) students to work on different
>> open-source projects. Google doesn't talk or manage directly to the students
>> but trough "Mentoring Organisations". Those organizations have to apply to
>> GSoC. They have to give a lot of information, included a list of
>> ideas/projects. Each project has a description and a mentor. Then the
>> students apply for each project. If the organization gets selected by Google
>> they will tell you how many "slots" they give. Suppose they give 5 but we
>> have 20 projects....then we vote and the most voted projects win. The
>> student has to do the project and the mentor has to help and guide him. The
>> mentor receives 500 USD and the student 4500USD.
>> For more information read: http://code.google.com/soc/
>> </forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
>>
>> The most important thing is the deadlines we have. We started late so we are
>> very near to the first deadline which is 12/03/2010 (less than one week).
>> For that deadline we need to submit all the information of the mentor
>> organization (answering several questions) and give the list of
>> ideas/projects and the mentors of that.
>>
>> We have created a webpage (Thanks Janko!!) where we will put all the
>> information. We will make this page public soon (we still need to review a
>> couple of things).
>> But for the moment we would REALLY appreciate if tell us your ideas. To do
>> this, just answer to this email. Then we will collect the information and
>> put in the website. For each idea you need:  a short title and a paragraph
>> (for the moment) explaining the idea.
>> After, we need that the people that are willing to be mentors start to apply
>> as mentors...please, consider yourself being mentor. Sometimes it is not
>> that difficult. I mean, don't be shy as sometimes being helpful, being aware
>> of the dates, answering emails, etc is more important than the Smalltalk
>> knoweldege. We can have a lot of ideas, but we need also mentors for that.
>> We even would need a "substitute" for each mentor...
>>
>> Just as an example you can see the ideas of the previous years:
>> 2007: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5936
>> 2008: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6031
>> 2009: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6120
>>
>> That's all for the moment.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> seaside mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>
>>
>
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> I'm completely newcomer to Smalltalk and I think it was a good idea.
>
> Il giorno mer, 10/03/2010 alle 14.08 +0000, stan shepherd ha scritto:
>> I know the deadline approaches, however- how does the community feel
>> about a project to implement a real demonstration system (along the
>> lines of defunct Sushi store)? Presumably in Seaside, but whichever
>> framework the community/mentor/student decided on. With a nice
>> interface using (again presumptively) jQueryUI to give a pleasant
>> end-user experience. Similarly implementing a persistence solution.
>> The idea is to present potential newcomers to Smalltalk with a viable
>> stack that could be picked up as is, to give a starting point for
>> developing web applications. Potentially they could simply make a
>> hosted copy, on the same server.
>>
>> The idea would be that on the various examples page, you could access
>> an e-commerce site running a Smalltalk technology stack. Ideally
>> really selling something Smalltalk related, (proceeds to eg ESUG),
>> maybe also an Amazon affiliate page . If you liked it, you could copy
>> the whole project, change eg your Paypal details, change your
>> products, and be in business. (Obviously there are real world
>> considerations - this is the concept). And coders looking for examples
>> would see code that was fully completed, not onClick: (... some alert
>> saying you clicked but no real example of how to handle it, eg how to
>> transfer the order line details to the payments server).
>>
>> I think it would do wonders for the take-up of Smalltalk.
>>
>> If people like the idea in general, I'm happy to write up the brief. I
>> don't think i'm the right person for the mentor, but you know who you
>> are ;)
>>
>> For the student, they would get experience in implementing the
>> application itself , as well as assembling the stack. They could be
>> the next Auctomatic founders.
>>
>> Do people think it's useful for me to develop a proposal?
>>
>> Cheers,   ..Stan
>>
>> PS I realise that picking a component as part of the stack is fraught
>> with possibilities of offending supporters of an alternative project.
>> But more Smalltalkers overall means more potential users of each
>> project
>>
>>
>> On 6 March 2010 12:04, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi smalltalkers. I have been asked to be the admin of GSoC 2010. The backup
>>> or second admin is Janko Mivšek. As you may know, Squeak has participated in
>>> GSoC 2007, 2008 but failed (not accepted) in 2009. We are not sure if we
>>> will succeed this year but we will try to do as much as possible.
>>>
>>> We think that one of the most important reasons why we failed in 2009 is
>>> that Google was looking for bigger communities that Squeak. This is why this
>>> year we all go under the ESUG umbrella. We present ESUG as the mentor
>>> organization and we cover ALL open-source Smalltalk dialects, not only
>>> Squeak. Pharo, Smalltalk/X, GNU Smalltalk, Cuis..they are all invited to
>>> participate. Also cross platform projects like Seaside, AidaWeb, Magma, etc
>>> are welcome.
>>>
>>> <forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
>>> It is a Google program that support (money) students to work on different
>>> open-source projects. Google doesn't talk or manage directly to the students
>>> but trough "Mentoring Organisations". Those organizations have to apply to
>>> GSoC. They have to give a lot of information, included a list of
>>> ideas/projects. Each project has a description and a mentor. Then the
>>> students apply for each project. If the organization gets selected by Google
>>> they will tell you how many "slots" they give. Suppose they give 5 but we
>>> have 20 projects....then we vote and the most voted projects win. The
>>> student has to do the project and the mentor has to help and guide him. The
>>> mentor receives 500 USD and the student 4500USD.
>>> For more information read: http://code.google.com/soc/
>>> </forThoseWhoDoesntKnowWhatGSoCIs>
>>>
>>> The most important thing is the deadlines we have. We started late so we are
>>> very near to the first deadline which is 12/03/2010 (less than one week).
>>> For that deadline we need to submit all the information of the mentor
>>> organization (answering several questions) and give the list of
>>> ideas/projects and the mentors of that.
>>>
>>> We have created a webpage (Thanks Janko!!) where we will put all the
>>> information. We will make this page public soon (we still need to review a
>>> couple of things).
>>> But for the moment we would REALLY appreciate if tell us your ideas. To do
>>> this, just answer to this email. Then we will collect the information and
>>> put in the website. For each idea you need:  a short title and a paragraph
>>> (for the moment) explaining the idea.
>>> After, we need that the people that are willing to be mentors start to apply
>>> as mentors...please, consider yourself being mentor. Sometimes it is not
>>> that difficult. I mean, don't be shy as sometimes being helpful, being aware
>>> of the dates, answering emails, etc is more important than the Smalltalk
>>> knoweldege. We can have a lot of ideas, but we need also mentors for that.
>>> We even would need a "substitute" for each mentor...
>>>
>>> Just as an example you can see the ideas of the previous years:
>>> 2007: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5936
>>> 2008: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6031
>>> 2009: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6120
>>>
>>> That's all for the moment.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Mariano
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> seaside mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>>>
>>>
>>
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> What the starting point is will depend on to what extent Cog has
>>> been open sourced  (Teleplace may choose to open source
>>> single-threaded Cog initially, keeping back the threaded FFI for
>>> a while, it may not open source Cog at all; we'll see :) ).
>> May be I the only one to notice the:)   which I have problem to
>> understand since for me it announces that COG may not be
>> open-source.
>
> Isn't this what you wanted to allow companies to do, when you chose the
> MIT license?  I don't understand, why should you care?
>
> I see some irony...