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Nevin Pratt

Groklaw article on Squeak

I think this is of general interest to all Squeakers:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061118091048997

Nevin

Philippe Marschall

Re: Groklaw article on Squeak

2006/11/18, Nevin Pratt <[hidden email]>:
> I think this is of general interest to all Squeakers:
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061118091048997

Just out of curiosity. They say it's FOSS. So what is the license of
the OLPC image and VM? Apache as the article suggests?

Philippe

Ron Teitelbaum

RE: Groklaw article on Squeak

I mentioned it here: http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/vote/

It is http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ which is, I believe similar to,
BSD http://developer.apple.com/opensource/ps-faq.html#anchor10 .

Ron Teitelbaum

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-dev-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:36 PM
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Subject: Re: Groklaw article on Squeak
>
> 2006/11/18, Nevin Pratt <[hidden email]>:
> > I think this is of general interest to all Squeakers:
> >
> > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061118091048997
>
> Just out of curiosity. They say it's FOSS. So what is the license of
> the OLPC image and VM? Apache as the article suggests?
>
> Philippe
>

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Groklaw article on Squeak

In reply to this post by Philippe Marschall

On Nov 18, 2006, at 23:35 , Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2006/11/18, Nevin Pratt <[hidden email]>:
>> I think this is of general interest to all Squeakers:
>>
>> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061118091048997
>
> Just out of curiosity. They say it's FOSS. So what is the license of
> the OLPC image and VM? Apache as the article suggests?

VM is MIT (see current SVN sources). Image is Apache.

Because we only ship the binary image and no sources in the OLPC OS
builds, we could already release this under Apache license. However,
Kim Rose is sending out contributor forms at the moment, all
contributions since Squeak 1.1 are going to be MIT which is
compatible with Apache. Once this is finished, source code will be
fully under Apache, too, and we expect this to be finished before the
first real OLPC laptop ships.

- Bert -

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Groklaw article on Squeak

In reply to this post by Ron Teitelbaum

On Nov 19, 2006, at 0:27 , Ron Teitelbaum wrote:

> I mentioned it here: http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/
> vote/
>
> It is http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ which is, I believe
> similar to,
> BSD http://developer.apple.com/opensource/ps-faq.html#anchor10 .

Squeak has actually been relicensed a second time, under the Apache
License 2.0:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0

This is because although APSL is free (even by FSF standards) it has
a patent clause that still prevents Linux distributors from using
APSL-licensed code. Which was a problem for OLPC, which is why Alan
Kay talked to Steve Jobs who agreed to relicense again. We got the
idea because a similar thing happened to Bonjour (was APSL first,
then Apache), so that is why we suggested the Apache license, since
Apple's lawyers were familiar with that.

- Bert -

Ron Teitelbaum

RE: Groklaw article on Squeak

Thanks for the clarification, I missed that.

Ron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bert Freudenberg [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:43 PM
> To: [hidden email]; The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Subject: Re: Groklaw article on Squeak
>
> On Nov 19, 2006, at 0:27 , Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>
> > I mentioned it here: http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/
> > vote/
> >
> > It is http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ which is, I believe
> > similar to,
> > BSD http://developer.apple.com/opensource/ps-faq.html#anchor10 .
>
> Squeak has actually been relicensed a second time, under the Apache
> License 2.0:
>
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>
> This is because although APSL is free (even by FSF standards) it has
> a patent clause that still prevents Linux distributors from using
> APSL-licensed code. Which was a problem for OLPC, which is why Alan
> Kay talked to Steve Jobs who agreed to relicense again. We got the
> idea because a similar thing happened to Bonjour (was APSL first,
> then Apache), so that is why we suggested the Apache license, since
> Apple's lawyers were familiar with that.
>
> - Bert -
>
>

Gary Fisher-3

Re: Groklaw article on Squeak

In reply to this post by Nevin Pratt

Thank you for posting that, Nevin. Interesting, inspiring and useful.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevin Pratt" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Groklaw article on Squeak

I think this is of general interest to all Squeakers:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061118091048997

Nevin

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Giovanni Corriga

Re: Groklaw article on Squeak

In reply to this post by Nevin Pratt

Il giorno sab, 18/11/2006 alle 14.30 -0700, Nevin Pratt ha scritto:
> I think this is of general interest to all Squeakers:
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061118091048997

A thank you to our Ron and to the Groklaw crew is in order, since the
link to Ron's article made the Weekly Squeak blog almost touch the 2000
hits per day.

Giovanni