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Hannes Hirzel

[Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

Hello

There are four entries in the help system [1]

Squeak -> The Project -> Extending the system

Are they still relevant. Or what else should go there instead?

For example it would be nice to have the install script for NuScratch [2]

Regards
Hannes

[1]
OCompletion
"Provides source code completion as you type"
(Installer ss project: 'OCompletion') install: 'Ocompletion'.
(Smalltalk at: #ECToolSet) register.
(Smalltalk at: #ToolSet) default: (Smalltalk at: #ECToolSet).

Omnibrowser
"Including Refactoring engine"
(Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository') install:
'ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser'.
((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser) project perform:
#lastVersion) load: #( Dev ).

Pier CMS
"Pier CMS: http://www.piercms.com"
(Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository') install: 'ConfigurationOfPier2'.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPier2) load.

(Installer lukas project: 'pier2') install: 'Pier-Blog'.
(Installer lukas project: 'pier2') install: 'Pier-Book'.
(Installer lukas project: 'pier2addons') install: 'Pier-Setup'.
(Smalltalk at: #PRDistribution) new register.

Open Cobalt

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[2] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6604

Scratch is a visual programming language and online community targeted
primarily at children [Wikipedia]. It started with a first
implementation in Squeak Smalltalk, then it was reimplemented in Flash
(ActionScript) and now in JavaScript (more about Scratch see here).

The Smalltalk based implementation has been maintained and improved
and is available under the Name 'NuScratch' to be loaded as an
application into a Squeak base system.

timrowledge

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

> On 27-06-2018, at 10:55 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> There are four entries in the help system [1]
>
> Squeak -> The Project -> Extending the system

The comment is that they are not documented in SqueakMap or Installer - so the proper solution must surely be to make sure they are all correctly set up in SM/Installer and then delete that section.

tim
--
tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
Useful random insult:- One of the early failures of electroshock therapy.

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

First: We have to check what these projects are for and if they are useful.
And if they load at all (I did not do that)

Second: I think it is actually good to have some 'featured' projects there ...

On 6/28/18, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>> On 27-06-2018, at 10:55 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> There are four entries in the help system [1]
>>
>> Squeak -> The Project -> Extending the system
>
> The comment is that they are not documented in SqueakMap or Installer - so
> the proper solution must surely be to make sure they are all correctly set
> up in SM/Installer and then delete that section.
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> Useful random insult:- One of the early failures of electroshock therapy.
>
>
>
>

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

Proposal for one of the 4 entries:

The Omnibrowser is not usable in Squeak anymore and also not being
developed anymore either. Replace it with RefactoringTools, see thread

[squeak-dev] Browser menu interface to refactorings

--Hannes

On 6/28/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> First: We have to check what these projects are for and if they are useful.
> And if they load at all (I did not do that)
>
> Second: I think it is actually good to have some 'featured' projects there
> ...
>
> On 6/28/18, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 27-06-2018, at 10:55 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> There are four entries in the help system [1]
>>>
>>> Squeak -> The Project -> Extending the system
>>
>> The comment is that they are not documented in SqueakMap or Installer -
>> so
>> the proper solution must surely be to make sure they are all correctly
>> set
>> up in SM/Installer and then delete that section.
>>
>> tim
>> --
>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>> Useful random insult:- One of the early failures of electroshock therapy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

The Omnibrowser script [1] does not work anymore because
http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not find. There are probably other
reasons why it does not work. And it is not supported anymore.

So in any case it is better to replace it with the load script for the
refactoring engine. See thread 'Browser menu interface to
refactorings'

--Hannes

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[1] Omnibrowser
"Including Refactoring engine"
(Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository') install:
'ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser'.
((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser) project perform:
#lastVersion) load: #( Dev ).

On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Proposal for one of the 4 entries:
>
> The Omnibrowser is not usable in Squeak anymore and also not being
> developed anymore either. Replace it with RefactoringTools, see thread
>
> [squeak-dev] Browser menu interface to refactorings
>
> --Hannes
>
> On 6/28/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> First: We have to check what these projects are for and if they are
>> useful.
>> And if they load at all (I did not do that)
>>
>> Second: I think it is actually good to have some 'featured' projects
>> there
>> ...
>>
>> On 6/28/18, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27-06-2018, at 10:55 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> There are four entries in the help system [1]
>>>>
>>>> Squeak -> The Project -> Extending the system
>>>
>>> The comment is that they are not documented in SqueakMap or Installer -
>>> so
>>> the proper solution must surely be to make sure they are all correctly
>>> set
>>> up in SM/Installer and then delete that section.
>>>
>>> tim
>>> --
>>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>>> Useful random insult:- One of the early failures of electroshock
>>> therapy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

Loading the PierCMS does not work either because
because
http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not found. [2]

OCompletion and OpenCobalt give errors.

So all entries need to be updated / replaced.

Proposals taken from FunSqueak

-Refactoring Engine (with a 'caveat' entry)
-Connectors
-NuScratch
-MathMorphs
-TiledMaps

[2]

"Pier CMS: http://www.piercms.com"
(Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository') install: 'ConfigurationOfPier2'.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPier2) load.

(Installer lukas project: 'pier2') install: 'Pier-Blog'.
(Installer lukas project: 'pier2') install: 'Pier-Book'.
(Installer lukas project: 'pier2addons') install: 'Pier-Setup'.
(Smalltalk at: #PRDistribution) new register.

On 9/7/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Omnibrowser script [1] does not work anymore because
> http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not find. There are probably other
> reasons why it does not work. And it is not supported anymore.
>
> So in any case it is better to replace it with the load script for the
> refactoring engine. See thread 'Browser menu interface to
> refactorings'
>
> --Hannes
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [1] Omnibrowser
> "Including Refactoring engine"
> (Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository') install:
> 'ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser'.
> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser) project perform:
> #lastVersion) load: #( Dev ).
>
>
>
> On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Proposal for one of the 4 entries:
>>
>> The Omnibrowser is not usable in Squeak anymore and also not being
>> developed anymore either. Replace it with RefactoringTools, see thread
>>
>> [squeak-dev] Browser menu interface to refactorings
>>
>> --Hannes
>>
>> On 6/28/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> First: We have to check what these projects are for and if they are
>>> useful.
>>> And if they load at all (I did not do that)
>>>
>>> Second: I think it is actually good to have some 'featured' projects
>>> there
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On 6/28/18, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 27-06-2018, at 10:55 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> There are four entries in the help system [1]
>>>>>
>>>>> Squeak -> The Project -> Extending the system
>>>>
>>>> The comment is that they are not documented in SqueakMap or Installer -
>>>> so
>>>> the proper solution must surely be to make sure they are all correctly
>>>> set
>>>> up in SM/Installer and then delete that section.
>>>>
>>>> tim
>>>> --
>>>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>>>> Useful random insult:- One of the early failures of electroshock
>>>> therapy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Edgar De Cleene

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

In reply to this post by Hannes Hirzel

Last Omnibrowser was loaded and funtion in FunSqueakCog4.3-11720-alpha

In Ladrillos
Name: OmniBrowser-cwp.453
Author: edcc
Time: 29 March 2015, 1:01:00.39 am

You think we could try this old and see?
Also in the "dungeons" have a .sar and several ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser

>>http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not find.
Is why have my site and try to backup all I think is useful.
Unlucky us, not all

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 07/09/2018, 05:24, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Omnibrowser script [1] does not work anymore
> because
http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not find. There are probably
> other
reasons why it does not work. And it is not supported anymore.

So in
> any case it is better to replace it with the load script for the
refactoring
> engine. See thread 'Browser menu interface to
refactorings'

--Hannes

Edgar De Cleene

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

In reply to this post by Hannes Hirzel

http://www.piercms.com seems not working
My last use of Pier was in 4.1 time
Still have a old working .image with all unneeded striped
Today I check

MCHttpRepository
location: 'http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier2'
user: ''
password: ''

Still exists and have newer things I do not.

Anyway insist doing web 2.0 is using lots of external things.
Craig Caffeine is how.
Mine HV2 modified is useful for prototype, then use Node.js with the same
folder structure.

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 07/09/2018, 05:41, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Loading the PierCMS does not work either
> because
because
http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not found. [2]

OCompletion
> and OpenCobalt give errors.

So all entries need to be updated /
> replaced.

Proposals taken from FunSqueak

-Refactoring Engine (with a
> 'caveat' entry)
-Connectors
-NuScratch
-MathMorphs
-TiledMaps

[2]

"Pier
> CMS: http://www.piercms.com"

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [Help][Extending the system][Squeak5.2] Are the four entries there still relevant for 5.2?

I understand that the piercms is no longer maintained.

The point of discussion for the Squeak release is that the load
script for the PierCMS should be removed and be replaced with an
interesting current larger piece of software which is maintained.

Your current Fun Squeak image includes some candidates.

--Hannes

On 9/7/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:

> http://www.piercms.com seems not working
> My last use of Pier was in 4.1 time
> Still have a old working .image with all unneeded striped
> Today I check
>
> MCHttpRepository
> location: 'http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier2'
> user: ''
> password: ''
>
> Still exists and have newer things I do not.
>
> Anyway insist doing web 2.0 is using lots of external things.
> Craig Caffeine is how.
> Mine HV2 modified is useful for prototype, then use Node.js with the same
> folder structure.
>
> Edgar
> @morplenauta
>
>
>
> On 07/09/2018, 05:41, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Loading the PierCMS does not work either
>> because
> because
> http://seaside.gemstone.com/ is not found. [2]
>
> OCompletion
>> and OpenCobalt give errors.
>
> So all entries need to be updated /
>> replaced.
>
> Proposals taken from FunSqueak
>
> -Refactoring Engine (with a
>> 'caveat' entry)
> -Connectors
> -NuScratch
> -MathMorphs
> -TiledMaps
>
>
>
>
> [2]
>
>
> "Pier
>> CMS: http://www.piercms.com"
>
>
>
>