Help! Where's Wonderland in Squeak 3.9 ?

Dear All --

 I need your help. I'm teaching my 10 year-old niece eToys. I'm
running a Squeak version in FreeBSD that has Wonderland, but on our
Macintosh, on version 3.9, we can't find Wonderland.

 We're using the computers sort of like in a class, side by side, so
it would be nice to synchronize our actions.

 Now, where did they hide it? Where's Wonderland?

 Help! Please.

 TIA,

 Henry
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El 1/16/07 3:57 PM, "Henry Lenzi" <[hidden email]> escribió:
Last image what I see Wonderland was in 3.6.
But I wish resurrect to 3.10, so be patient, pile of things continue
growing.

If you are brave enough to see first steps of next release open Firefox and
type

http://201-212-99-13.cab.prima.net.ar:8088 and see a 10.000 km far away
running 3.10 and could do some interaction with it.
( 09:00 to 20:00 GMT, roughly) for see one image with Kom + HttpView.

Cheers.

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On Jan 16, 2007, at 19:57 , Henry Lenzi wrote:

> Dear All --
>
> I need your help. I'm teaching my 10 year-old niece eToys. I'm
> running a Squeak version in FreeBSD that has Wonderland, but on our
> Macintosh, on version 3.9, we can't find Wonderland.

It might be simplest to copy the .image file (and, if it exists,  
the .changes file, too) from your bsd machine to the Mac. This way,  
you have the exact same setup.

> We're using the computers sort of like in a class, side by side, so
> it would be nice to synchronize our actions.
>
> Now, where did they hide it? Where's Wonderland?

Install "Balloon3D" via the Squeakmap package loader.

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Hi,

Edgar J. De Cleene escribió:
I was trying that url, but ask for a user name and password. There is
some kind of generic guest user which we can use?

Cheers,

Offray
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El 1/17/07 11:02 AM, "Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas"
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> I was trying that url, but ask for a user name and password. There is
> some kind of generic guest user which we can use?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray

use my name and pass from squeakmap.
edgarjdecleene edc

Copy to some place as you are asked twice.

Current support of users is list from registered people in some of know
places (sm squeaksource, squeak people), but I could add you

All is in experimental phase , so be patient.

3.10 Release is in building phase now, could be public at end of May.
Alpha maybe could go end January or first days of February.

At my knowledge , it's the first time what you could use a complete running
image without any more what Firefox on your side.

And do not hesitate in answer all question, if I do not know I tell you, and
answer to some hidden guru and all learn something.

After all, we 3.10 Release Team are working for newbies this time.

Edgar

*Si hablas español , puedo comunicarme mejor (veo .co al fin del mail , es
Colombia ?)



       

       
               
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On 1/16/07, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: Oh, that seems to be good advice! And then I just drop the BSD image
on the Mac Squeak, right? But what about the changes file?
Should I create a new directory?

> > We're using the computers sort of like in a class, side by side, so
> > it would be nice to synchronize our actions.
> >
> > Now, where did they hide it? Where's Wonderland?
>
> Install "Balloon3D" via the Squeakmap package loader.
>
Will do.

> - Bert -
>
Thanks.

Henry
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On 1/16/07, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:
OK. I'm patient. :-) Anybody who develops for Squeak has my deepest
and earnest respect. You made my niece so happy :-)) Me too ;-))
(I'm a Logo kid, you know?)


> If you are brave enough to see first steps of next release open Firefox and
> type
>
> http://201-212-99-13.cab.prima.net.ar:8088 and see a 10.000 km far away
> running 3.10 and could do some interaction with it.
> ( 09:00 to 20:00 GMT, roughly) for see one image with Kom + HttpView.
>
OK, but what's Kom + HttpView? And does it _have_ to be Firefox? Is it
a plug-in?

> Cheers.
>
> Edgar
>
Gracias, Edgar.

Henry
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Am Jan 17, 2007 um 23:53  schrieb Henry Lenzi:

Yes, onto the VM icon. Double-clicking the image should work fine, too.

> But what about the changes file?
> Should I create a new directory?

Not necessarily. Image and Changes always go together, in the same  
directory. But you can have multiple images/changes in one directory  
if you want.

The changes file is a log file of stuff you coded in the image. You  
don't actually need the changes for running, just for coding. For  
example, if you downloaded Squeak from squeakland.org, there is no  
changes file.

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On 17.01.2007, at 23:56, Henry Lenzi wrote:


>> Last image what I see Wonderland was in 3.6.
>> But I wish resurrect to 3.10, so be patient, pile of things continue
>> growing.
>>
>
> OK. I'm patient. :-) Anybody who develops for Squeak has my deepest
> and earnest respect. You made my niece so happy :-)) Me too ;-))
> (I'm a Logo kid, you know?)
>

Honestly: Wonderland was an experiment done in 1999/2000. It was  
discontinued
shortly after. Developent on the 3D Framework it's based on was  
discontinued
soon after.

Especiallu Wonderland did a lot of very interesting, but very hackish/
experimental
addition to many places that never got cleaned up and integrated in  
any meaningful
way.

I don't know who would "resurrect" in in any practical way for 3.10,  
especially
as the goal needs to be to cut old, discontinued experiments from  
Squeak so
that there is slim chance to be able to actually maintain the rest  
that is used.

But that's only my analysis...
       
        Marcus
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El 1/17/07 7:56 PM, "Henry Lenzi" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> OK, but what's Kom + HttpView? And does it _have_ to be Firefox? Is it
> a plug-in?
Firefox is a free Browser what if you still don't have could download at
http://www.mozilla-world.org/en/.

I on Mac , have Internet Explorer, iCab , Safari and Firefox.
All have ups and downs, but for using Squeak remote , go with Firefox.

Kom is short for Comanche and is a server made in Squeak.

You could do things as publish specific directories of your machine with
access to selected people, like I share my Tangos with other Squeakers.

It's the base of others more elaborate things .
The Swikis or collaborative spaces for community are constructed on top.

HttpView is a work of Goran Krampe and could be used for build not to
complicated web sites.

I have a Risk variant (in progress) build only with Kom + HttpView .

If you need something better what PHP, then you must learn Seaside, also
build on top of Kom..

For what Marcus said, I clarify my intention as 3.10 Release Team member is
what all what once was used in Squeak and could be changed for run into 3.10
is work what I try to do and ask to community for help.

I success in doing so for MorphicWrappers and MathMorphs, what last time
what run complete was in the 2.1 - 2.3 middle age of Squeak.

Also I plan a FunSqueak version, with all games , Steph tutorial, etc. ,
scheduled at end of May.

What do not means what Wonderland could be developed now, only what IF IT'S
POSSIBLE have running into 3.10, many people like you are happy.

And maybe your kids was enough motivate for what in a few years THEY do the
next 3D killer Squeak.

Disagree Marcus ?

Edgar






       

       
               
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On 18.01.2007, at 09:38, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:

Yes, completely disagree. But if you want to dust of other peoples  
failed experiments,
all power to you.

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I agree with Marcus.

My suggestion is that if you plan to put projects without maintainers out
there, it must be clear to the newbies that these are not actively supported
or maintained, and that it was just a demo or something to that effect.

Otherwise the newbies may be misled that there is a maintainer and will get
frustrated in wondering why the failed pieces are not well-supported or why
their questions went unanswered. As a result, they may be frustrated and end
up leaving Squeak during the learning process.

-Larry Trutter

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El 1/18/07 10:40 AM, "Larry Trutter" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> I agree with Marcus.
>
> My suggestion is that if you plan to put projects without maintainers out
> there, it must be clear to the newbies that these are not actively supported
> or maintained, and that it was just a demo or something to that effect.

I  do not plan put any projects in. Contrary direction . The next 3.10 do
not have all what 3.9 was.

I said what IT IF POSSIBLE, at the end I and others what like fun could
build a image what have almost what original Mark Guzdial CD 2.7/2.8 image
have.
>
> Otherwise the newbies may be misled that there is a maintainer and will get
> frustrated in wondering why the failed pieces are not well-supported or why
> their questions went unanswered. As a result, they may be frustrated and end
> up leaving Squeak during the learning process.

They could be newbies . Not fools what  don't understand.

They could.

1) Use another image as OLPC , Smalland, others Smalltalk/Squeak derived
like Croquet, Tweak, Sophie, Scratch

2) Use 3.10 and LOAD old "resurrected" projects. Maybe new interest arise
and he/she do some better what Alice/Wonderland. We have it ? NO

3) Learn what once we have. Computers do not start in color with Windows.

 I do not say others what they should do, don't have any magic and offer no
bright solutions.

 I plan answer to any public or private. In English or Spanish

Saludos desde el sur

Edgar



 
 
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