Hi all
I was discussing with Bert about getting botsinc running on ODLP. The environment is really small it is 17 classes. And this would be great to have an environment to teach Smalltalk on it. Apparently Bert told me that Alan would be interested and that I should send an email to this mailing- list. So this is what I'm doing. Now I need help. I have a bug when I put a self halt in the method that is executed. Ned told me that it could be easily fixed but right now I have no time and I got already burnt in the pas with concurrency and morphic. So I would like to know if somebody is interested in helping me. square "self square" self north. self go: 200. self halt. self east. self go: 200. Does not stop the bot and its animation. (I have an older version not based on the rewrite that Ned did for me but based on morphic wrapper that is working correctly but I would prefer to use the last one since I developed further and it is in sync with the book). I was working on a better history of commands. Now there is also a problem of how to save script. I proposed to save categories but may be we need something better than that. I'm working on releasing extra chapters (with Lsystem and other). I'm working also on releasing another micro world with a robot (looking like Karel with really fun exercises). These extras chapters will be freely available. But all that takes time. On a 3.8 image On SqueakMap load shout.4 (this is not necessary and we can remove it after, it just gives a better feedback on errors). MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/BotIncPica' user: '' password: '' BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz Under help -> reinstall full menu Stef _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
Hi Stéphane,
What you're telling is music to my ears. I have been advocating something like this in the eToys OLPC mailing list and in this way to have a laptop which grows with the kids, starting with eToys, passing to Bots Inc and going to Smalltalk after that. This is the way that me and my students of first semester are using and is working very nice. At this moment we're going to start to use Monticello for some collective project, and would be nice to know how to open Monticello and use from Bots Inc, or use Bot Inc from some image. I have been trying to load Bots Inc on Squeakland 3.8-05 #552 but I can't get Monticello working on it (I get the errors in the attached files). Here are some links of the work with my students: http://www.eduwiki.info/BotsInc http://www.eduwiki.info/MazeSquad/construirPuente/Historial http://www.eduwiki.info/MazeSquad2/ConstruccionLaberinto http://www.eduwiki.info/CarlosJaramillo/Botsinc/Cap23 Is nice to hear that some chapters of the book will be free. Using your book here is a real help, but most of students can't pay for it, and having just a copy for the all group is really uncomfortable (we're an small group of 10 and I have ask it to the Mathematics Department but we're out of budget for this semester). A creative commons license with free distribution and the possibility to create derived works like translations would be really nice. Thanks for all your help. Cheers, Offray stéphane ducasse escribió: > Hi all > > I was discussing with Bert about getting botsinc running on ODLP. The > environment is really small > it is 17 classes. And this would be great to have an environment to > teach Smalltalk on it. Apparently Bert told me that Alan > would be interested and that I should send an email to this mailing- > list. So this is what I'm doing. > > Now I need help. I have a bug when I put a self halt in the method > that is executed. Ned told me that > it could be easily fixed but right now I have no time and I got > already burnt in the pas with concurrency and morphic. > So I would like to know if somebody is interested in helping me. > > square > "self square" > self north. > self go: 200. > self halt. > self east. > self go: 200. > > Does not stop the bot and its animation. (I have an older version not > based on the rewrite that Ned did for me > but based on morphic wrapper that is working correctly but I would > prefer to use the last one since I developed further and > it is in sync with the book). > > I was working on a better history of commands. Now there is also a > problem of how to save script. > I proposed to save categories but may be we need something better > than that. > > I'm working on releasing extra chapters (with Lsystem and other). > I'm working also on releasing another micro world with a robot > (looking like Karel with really fun exercises). > These extras chapters will be freely available. But all that takes time. > > On a 3.8 image > > On SqueakMap load shout.4 (this is not necessary and we can remove it > after, it just gives a better feedback on errors). > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/BotIncPica' > user: '' > password: '' > > BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz > > Under help -> reinstall full menu > > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > [hidden email] > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
> Hi Stéphane,
> > What you're telling is music to my ears. I have been advocating > something like this in the eToys OLPC mailing list and in this way > to have a laptop which grows with the kids, starting with eToys, > passing to Bots Inc and going to Smalltalk after that. This is the > way that me and my students of first semester are using and is > working very nice. Excellent news > At this moment we're going to start to use Monticello for some > collective project, and would be nice to know how to open > Monticello and use from Bots Inc, or use Bot Inc from some image. > > I have been trying to load Bots Inc on Squeakland 3.8-05 #552 but I > can't get Monticello working on it (I get the errors in the > attached files). I know that my code load easily on squeak-38-full but I do not have squeakland 38-05. Where can I find it? > > Here are some links of the work with my students: > > http://www.eduwiki.info/BotsInc > http://www.eduwiki.info/MazeSquad/construirPuente/Historial > http://www.eduwiki.info/MazeSquad2/ConstruccionLaberinto > http://www.eduwiki.info/CarlosJaramillo/Botsinc/Cap23 > > Is nice to hear that some chapters of the book will be free. This was always my intention. The problem is that my english is not good enough so I had to go with an editor to get a real copy edit phase. Now you can buy an electronic copy of the book it is cheaper and I guess that you can share it :) > Using your book here is a real help, but most of students can't pay > for it, and having just a copy for the all group is really > uncomfortable (we're an small group of 10 and I have ask it to the > Mathematics Department but we're out of budget for this semester). > A creative commons license with free distribution and the > possibility to create derived works like translations would be > really nice. For the new material everything will be free CC license. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > stéphane ducasse escribió: >> Hi all >> >> I was discussing with Bert about getting botsinc running on ODLP. >> The environment is really small >> it is 17 classes. And this would be great to have an environment >> to teach Smalltalk on it. Apparently Bert told me that Alan >> would be interested and that I should send an email to this >> mailing- list. So this is what I'm doing. >> >> Now I need help. I have a bug when I put a self halt in the >> method that is executed. Ned told me that >> it could be easily fixed but right now I have no time and I got >> already burnt in the pas with concurrency and morphic. >> So I would like to know if somebody is interested in helping me. >> >> square >> "self square" >> self north. >> self go: 200. >> self halt. >> self east. >> self go: 200. >> >> Does not stop the bot and its animation. (I have an older version >> not based on the rewrite that Ned did for me >> but based on morphic wrapper that is working correctly but I >> would prefer to use the last one since I developed further and >> it is in sync with the book). >> >> I was working on a better history of commands. Now there is also >> a problem of how to save script. >> I proposed to save categories but may be we need something better >> than that. >> >> I'm working on releasing extra chapters (with Lsystem and other). >> I'm working also on releasing another micro world with a robot >> (looking like Karel with really fun exercises). >> These extras chapters will be freely available. But all that takes >> time. >> >> On a 3.8 image >> >> On SqueakMap load shout.4 (this is not necessary and we can remove >> it after, it just gives a better feedback on errors). >> >> MCHttpRepository >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/BotIncPica' >> user: '' >> password: '' >> >> BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz >> >> Under help -> reinstall full menu >> >> >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > > <monticelloError.png> > <shoutError.png> _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
>> >> stéphane ducasse escribió: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I was discussing with Bert about getting botsinc running on ODLP. >>> The environment is really small >>> it is 17 classes. And this would be great to have an environment >>> to teach Smalltalk on it. Apparently Bert told me that Alan >>> would be interested and that I should send an email to this >>> mailing- list. So this is what I'm doing. >>> >>> Now I need help. I have a bug when I put a self halt in the >>> method that is executed. Ned told me that >>> it could be easily fixed but right now I have no time and I got >>> already burnt in the pas with concurrency and morphic. >>> So I would like to know if somebody is interested in helping me. >>> >>> square >>> "self square" >>> self north. >>> self go: 200. >>> self halt. >>> self east. >>> self go: 200. >>> >>> Does not stop the bot and its animation. (I have an older version >>> not based on the rewrite that Ned did for me >>> but based on morphic wrapper that is working correctly but I >>> would prefer to use the last one since I developed further and >>> it is in sync with the book). >>> >>> I was working on a better history of commands. Now there is also >>> a problem of how to save script. >>> I proposed to save categories but may be we need something better >>> than that. >>> >>> I'm working on releasing extra chapters (with Lsystem and other). >>> I'm working also on releasing another micro world with a robot >>> (looking like Karel with really fun exercises). >>> These extras chapters will be freely available. But all that takes >>> time. >>> >>> On a 3.8 image >>> >>> On SqueakMap load shout.4 (this is not necessary and we can remove >>> it after, it just gives a better feedback on errors). >>> >>> MCHttpRepository >>> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/BotIncPica' >>> user: '' >>> password: '' >>> >>> BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz >>> >>> Under help -> reinstall full menu SqueakMap which in turn installs Monticello. Then I tried to load the BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz but that would not load because of dependencies that could not be found. Then I loaded BotIncPica-sd.12.mcz and that loaded fine. I tested the 'square' with halt and that worked. Karl _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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> Hi all > > I was discussing with Bert about getting botsinc running on ODLP. The > environment is really small > it is 17 classes. And this would be great to have an environment to > teach Smalltalk on it. Apparently Bert told me that Alan > would be interested and that I should send an email to this mailing- > list. So this is what I'm doing. > > Now I need help. I have a bug when I put a self halt in the method > that is executed. Ned told me that > it could be easily fixed but right now I have no time and I got > already burnt in the pas with concurrency and morphic. > So I would like to know if somebody is interested in helping me. > > square > "self square" > self north. > self go: 200. > self halt. > self east. > self go: 200. > > Does not stop the bot and its animation. (I have an older version not > based on the rewrite that Ned did for me > but based on morphic wrapper that is working correctly but I would > prefer to use the last one since I developed further and > it is in sync with the book). > > I was working on a better history of commands. Now there is also a > problem of how to save script. > I proposed to save categories but may be we need something better > than that. > > I'm working on releasing extra chapters (with Lsystem and other). > other stuff, all in etoys, Quite fun. Karl > I'm working also on releasing another micro world with a robot > (looking like Karel with really fun exercises). > These extras chapters will be freely available. But all that takes time. > > On a 3.8 image > > On SqueakMap load shout.4 (this is not necessary and we can remove it > after, it just gives a better feedback on errors). > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/BotIncPica' > user: '' > password: '' > > BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz > > Under help -> reinstall full menu > > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > [hidden email] > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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> I got the BotIncPica running on the latest OLPC image. First I > updated SqueakMap which in turn installs Monticello. Then I tried > to load the > > BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz but that would not load because of > dependencies that could not be found. Strange. I will check. Because it loads perfectly for me on 3.8 Where can I get a OLPC image? > Then I loaded BotIncPica-sd.12.mcz and that loaded fine. I tested > the 'square' with halt and that worked. Yes but this is an older version (before ned work) and I'm less confident with it (I coded it ;)). Stef _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
On Apr 24, 2007, at 10:06 , stéphane ducasse wrote: > >> I got the BotIncPica running on the latest OLPC image. First I >> updated SqueakMap which in turn installs Monticello. Then I tried >> to load the >> >> BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz but that would not load because of >> dependencies that could not be found. > > Strange. > I will check. Because it loads perfectly for me on 3.8 > Where can I get a OLPC image? etoys.laptop.org - Bert - _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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> >> I got the BotIncPica running on the latest OLPC image. First I >> updated SqueakMap which in turn installs Monticello. Then I tried to >> load the >> >> BotIncPica-Ned-sd.44.mcz but that would not load because of >> dependencies that could not be found. > > Strange. > I will check. Because it loads perfectly for me on 3.8 > Where can I get a OLPC image? > > >> Then I loaded BotIncPica-sd.12.mcz and that loaded fine. I tested the >> 'square' with halt and that worked. > > Yes but this is an older version (before ned work) and I'm less > confident with it (I coded it ;)). ;-) Karl > > Stef > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Hi Stép, Hi all,
Sorry for the late response. stéphane ducasse escribió: >> Hi Stéphane, >> >> What you're telling is music to my ears. I have been advocating >> something like this in the eToys OLPC mailing list and in this way to >> have a laptop which grows with the kids, starting with eToys, passing >> to Bots Inc and going to Smalltalk after that. This is the way that >> me and my students of first semester are using and is working very nice. > > Excellent news I hope to show some of my students work this year on SqueakFest and something about Bots Inc as a bridge between Etoys and Smalltalk and a way to get a "maturing" squeak learning environment that grows with the children. > >> At this moment we're going to start to use Monticello for some >> collective project, and would be nice to know how to open Monticello >> and use from Bots Inc, or use Bot Inc from some image. >> >> I have been trying to load Bots Inc on Squeakland 3.8-05 #552 but I >> can't get Monticello working on it (I get the errors in the attached >> files). > > I know that my code load easily on squeak-38-full but I do not have > squeakland 38-05. Where can I find it? You can get that image in the squeakland.org site, is the one that is downloaded by default. At this moment we're trying to create a project with all the students in Bots Inc and we would like to use Monticello for this. There is a way to use Monticello for Bot Inc projects? [...] > >> >> Is nice to hear that some chapters of the book will be free. > > This was always my intention. The problem is that my english is not > good enough so I had to go with an editor to > get a real copy edit phase. Now you can buy an electronic copy of the > book it is cheaper and I guess that you can share it :) > >> Using your book here is a real help, but most of students can't pay >> for it, and having just a copy for the all group is really >> uncomfortable (we're an small group of 10 and I have ask it to the >> Mathematics Department but we're out of budget for this semester). A >> creative commons license with free distribution and the possibility >> to create derived works like translations would be really nice. > > For the new material everything will be free CC license. > Do you think that your publisher will be willing to release the book as Open Content? May be we can work in something like the Street Performer Protocol [1] to get some funding for that (may Google or some other OLPC sponsor can help us with the money). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Performer_Protocol Cheers, Offray _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
I can ask him.
> Do you think that your publisher will be willing to release the > book as Open Content? May be we can work in something like the > Street Performer Protocol [1] to get some funding for that (may > Google or some other OLPC sponsor can help us with the money). > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Performer_Protocol _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list [hidden email] http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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