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Damien Cassou-3

Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

Hi,

would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on Seaside in
french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking for a svn server.
It will be based on squeak (with a short chapter on Squeak and
Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.

I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free but I
would like it to be printed/published too.

Is it a problem for you ?

Bye

--
Damien Cassou

Marcus Denker

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:

> Hi,
>
> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on
> Seaside in french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking
> for a svn server. It will be based on squeak (with a short chapter
> on Squeak and Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.
>
> I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free
> but I would like it to be printed/published too.
>

It seems that many people use a Creatice Commons license today for
books: The pdf is online, people can even print it. Or buy the book,
which is in most cases much less hassle than printing...

Even "real" publishers seem to experiment with this.

> Is it a problem for you ?
>

No, that's what the server is for.

Marcus

Damien Cassou-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

Marcus Denker a écrit :

>
> On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on Seaside
>> in french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking for a svn
>> server. It will be based on squeak (with a short chapter on Squeak and
>> Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.
>>
>> I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free but I
>> would like it to be printed/published too.
>>
>
> It seems that many people use a Creatice Commons license today for
> books: The pdf is online, people can even print it. Or buy the book,
> which is in most cases much less hassle than printing...
>
> Even "real" publishers seem to experiment with this.

Do you know publishers that would agree to publish a free book on Seaside ?

--
Damien Cassou

timrowledge

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

In reply to this post by Marcus Denker

On 9-May-06, at 11:17 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:

>
> On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on
>> Seaside in french ?
[snip]
>
> No, that's what the server is for.

One amongst us that has experience with svn might like to think a bit
about setting up a basic directory tree in the svn server so that we
have some hope of it being tidy.

tim
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Useful random insult:- Teflon brain -- nothing sticks.

Ken Causey-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

I'm curious what you mean. I was just assuming that we would have a
directory per project where each project would then be responsible for
their own sub-tree structure. Does that sound overly messy to you?
Perhaps I don't understand your point.

Ken

On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 11:57 -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
> One amongst us that has experience with svn might like to think a bit
> about setting up a basic directory tree in the svn server so that we
> have some hope of it being tidy.
>
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> Useful random insult:- Teflon brain -- nothing sticks.

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Damien Cassou-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

Ken Causey a écrit :
> I'm curious what you mean. I was just assuming that we would have a
> directory per project where each project would then be responsible for
> their own sub-tree structure. Does that sound overly messy to you?
> Perhaps I don't understand your point.

As a svn user, I agree with this. One directory for every project cause
a lot of problems:

- Each project share the same revision number (ie: you won't have
following version numbers for your project)
- It's more difficult to manage hook scripts (sending a mail on each
commit for example)
- It may be more difficult to manage read/write access

--
Damien Cassou

Ken Causey-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

OK, perhaps I misstated myself. What I should have said is one
'repository' per project, not one directory. In other words if your
project were to be called 'seasidebook' then I or Marcus would:

svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs /home/svn/site/seasidebook (and some
other stuff not relevant for this discussion)

That would completely seperate each project wouldn't it? Sorry for the
confusion.

Ken

On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 21:51 +0200, Damien Cassou wrote:

> Ken Causey a écrit :
> > I'm curious what you mean. I was just assuming that we would have a
> > directory per project where each project would then be responsible for
> > their own sub-tree structure. Does that sound overly messy to you?
> > Perhaps I don't understand your point.
>
> As a svn user, I agree with this. One directory for every project cause
> a lot of problems:
>
> - Each project share the same revision number (ie: you won't have
> following version numbers for your project)
> - It's more difficult to manage hook scripts (sending a mail on each
> commit for example)
> - It may be more difficult to manage read/write access
>
>

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timrowledge

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

On 9-May-06, at 12:57 PM, Ken Causey wrote:

> OK, perhaps I misstated myself. What I should have said is one
> 'repository' per project, not one directory. In other words if your
> project were to be called 'seasidebook' then I or Marcus would:
>
> svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs /home/svn/site/seasidebook (and some
> other stuff not relevant for this discussion)
>
> That would completely seperate each project wouldn't it? Sorry for
> the
> confusion.

That sounds like the answer to me; I was thinking that there is a
single repository and that we should get some sections set up within
it. If we can have multiple repositories then I guess life gets much
simpler. Can you tell I have only a vague acquaintance with svn?

tim
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Useful random insult:- His shared libraries aren't installed.

Giovanni Corriga

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

In reply to this post by Damien Cassou-3

Il giorno mar, 09/05/2006 alle 20.41 +0200, Damien Cassou ha scritto:

> Marcus Denker a écrit :
> >
> > On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on Seaside
> >> in french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking for a svn
> >> server. It will be based on squeak (with a short chapter on Squeak and
> >> Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.
> >>
> >> I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free but I
> >> would like it to be printed/published too.
> >>
> >
> > It seems that many people use a Creatice Commons license today for
> > books: The pdf is online, people can even print it. Or buy the book,
> > which is in most cases much less hassle than printing...
> >
> > Even "real" publishers seem to experiment with this.
>
> Do you know publishers that would agree to publish a free book on Seaside ?

You can self-publish it using an online printing service sush as
lulu.com .

Giovanni

Damien Cassou-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

Giovanni Corriga a écrit :

> Il giorno mar, 09/05/2006 alle 20.41 +0200, Damien Cassou ha scritto:
>> Marcus Denker a écrit :
>>> On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on Seaside
>>>> in french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking for a svn
>>>> server. It will be based on squeak (with a short chapter on Squeak and
>>>> Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free but I
>>>> would like it to be printed/published too.
>>>>
>>> It seems that many people use a Creatice Commons license today for
>>> books: The pdf is online, people can even print it. Or buy the book,
>>> which is in most cases much less hassle than printing...
>>>
>>> Even "real" publishers seem to experiment with this.
>> Do you know publishers that would agree to publish a free book on Seaside ?
>
> You can self-publish it using an online printing service sush as
> lulu.com .

Interesting idea. I will take a look, thanks.

--
Damien Cassou

stéphane ducasse-2

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

In reply to this post by Damien Cassou-3

On 9 mai 06, at 20:41, Damien Cassou wrote:

> Marcus Denker a écrit :
>> On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on
>>> Seaside in french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking
>>> for a svn server. It will be based on squeak (with a short
>>> chapter on Squeak and Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.
>>>
>>> I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free
>>> but I would like it to be printed/published too.
>>>
>> It seems that many people use a Creatice Commons license today for
>> books: The pdf is online, people can even print it. Or buy the book,
>> which is in most cases much less hassle than printing...
>> Even "real" publishers seem to experiment with this.
>
> Do you know publishers that would agree to publish a free book on
> Seaside ?

Sure.
But write it first :) this helps in the negociation :)
Serge knows a guy that could do that

Stef

>
> --
> Damien Cassou
>
>

Serge Stinckwich-4

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

stéphane ducasse a écrit :

>
> On 9 mai 06, at 20:41, Damien Cassou wrote:
>
>> Marcus Denker a écrit :
>>> On 09.05.2006, at 18:30, Damien Cassou wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> would the community agree that svn.squeak.org hosts a book on
>>>> Seaside in french ? I'm planning to write the book and am looking
>>>> for a svn server. It will be based on squeak (with a short chapter
>>>> on Squeak and Smalltalk) and will be written in LaTeX.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the licence yet. I would like to make it free but
>>>> I would like it to be printed/published too.
>>>>
>>> It seems that many people use a Creatice Commons license today for
>>> books: The pdf is online, people can even print it. Or buy the book,
>>> which is in most cases much less hassle than printing...
>>> Even "real" publishers seem to experiment with this.
>>
>> Do you know publishers that would agree to publish a free book on
>> Seaside ?
>
> Sure.
> But write it first :) this helps in the negociation :)
> Serge knows a guy that could do that
>

yes, publication is the easiest part if you have something to publish !

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Damien Cassou-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

In reply to this post by Marcus Denker

Marcus Denker wrote :

Can somebody create me an account on this svn server ? I will start my
book now (at least try to write something).

Thank you very much

Bye

Damien Pollet

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

In reply to this post by Giovanni Corriga

> You can self-publish it using an online printing service sush as
> lulu.com .

heh, somewhere in their flash demo they have a big DON'T USE THE BACK BUTTON :)

Damien, any news, can we peek at the book yet ?

--
Damien Pollet
type less, do more

Damien Cassou-3

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

Damien Pollet a écrit :
>> You can self-publish it using an online printing service sush as
>> lulu.com .
>
> heh, somewhere in their flash demo they have a big DON'T USE THE BACK
> BUTTON :)
>
> Damien, any news, can we peek at the book yet ?

Not at all, I was waiting for the end of the school to start it. I've a
table of contents if you are interested in.

Damien Pollet

Re: Hosting a book on Seaside with svn.squeak.org

> Not at all, I was waiting for the end of the school to start it. I've a
> table of contents if you are interested in.

indeed :)

--
Damien Pollet
type less, do more